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OrangeChicken
Read October 25, 2015, 03:11:20 AM #3601

FUCKING GOD

I TYPED UP A LONG THING ABOUT SHIT AND I SUDDENLY LOST CONNECTION AS I HIT POST AND IT'S GONE

I'm not even going to try to rewrite my entire essay nor keep it polite.

This is what I'm going to say

Pads are poorly maintained because no one can get into them because they have no permission but Laura and Tony
I also have not seen a new pack in months
And now people are leaving a mess? I clean up my baby powder
Managers at ACME are also getting on my ass about the FP Judgment font, because people are seeing "NIGGA WHAT!" Because they only ever see me as the regular in the arcade, they think I can fix this shit myself. They saw a few guys playing and using the FP font. None of that is my fault at all. Change the damn metrics in the Groovenights theme.

This is all shit we can easily fix, particularly the programming and content stuff, but only the owners can get into it, and we haven't had very much response.

I'm fucking tired of this shit, we need people who are more attentive to this old game that no one even plays anymore, or just pull the machine out whether it's due to the offensive content or the lack of interest.

I'd rather we pull it out because I'm the only one who cares about playing ITG anymore anyway. Who the hell gives a fuck about what I want? No one else plays this, why should I?

Look at me, I'm pissed off about a video game, but who cares. It's not your problem.

Get mad at me, everyone, because I'm just done. I'm the stupid kid who thinks he can keep an old game alive.

I'm dead wrong.

No one gives a shit because we're all adults with responsibilities and life problems.

All I'm trying to do is have fun while I'm living but I really can't, so I'm giving up with this cabinet.
 
Dr.Z
Read October 25, 2015, 11:52:55 AM #3602

(brief laugh must be given for Chris' use of the term powder-pocolypse)

I completely agree with Kevin about the ITG cab needing regular maintenance attention of some kind. I'd also agree with you that a few more people are dropping off the ITG scene almost entirely, but the reason they've told me is because of either poor machine condition or the feeling of a lack of communication/feedback from the owners.
 
Thunderbird
Read October 25, 2015, 01:57:10 PM #3603

The restrictions on who can do stuff to the machine was from ACME's management, not Bill, though I get the impression the only reason that happened is because of random people thinking people were doing stuff to the machine that they weren't supposed to.
 
vyhd
Read October 26, 2015, 01:46:12 PM #3604

The reason I quit showing up is the stamina players unilaterally decided the pads should be modded to their liking -- alienating me and half of the other players in the process -- and then the modding ended up requiring a ton of upkeep on top of that. As far as I'm concerned, you reap what you sow.

As long as we're not keeping it polite, you caused this. I am past the point of caring about the machine or trying to fix it, but I want you to understand the cause and effect at play here.
 
Suko
Read October 26, 2015, 02:34:52 PM #3605

(Borrowing from BflySamurai's post)

Can't we all just go back to having fun playing dance games!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Obse93e2GM

P.S. I agree that better attention needs to be given to the ITG machine. New content/packs aside, fixing the "Nigga what" thing is probably important, as is regular maintenance items.

KLOC, I understand you get passionate about this, but just remember that moderation and reason gets a lot more respect than aggression and swearing. Although I admit the later gets MUCH more attention.

I will agree that the non-hardcore regulars are all but gone now. I think the large fracas that happened last year (or was it two years back?) just made a lot of players feel like this community wasn't for "them" anymore. If the only people who play at Acme anymore are the hardcore, then they should get the pads the way they want them, maintenance headaches and all. Let Chris or one of them get back in charge of maintaining it.

Hopefully Bill will be able to offer some feedback on how we can reach a resolution to the issues here.

« Last Edit: October 26, 2015, 02:42:24 PM by Suko »
 
Suko
Read October 26, 2015, 02:47:09 PM #3606

(Borrowing from BflySamurai's post)

Can't we all just go back to having fun playing dance games!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Obse93e2GM

P.S. I agree that better attention needs to be given to the ITG machine. New content/packs aside, fixing the "Nigga what" thing is probably important, as is regular maintenance items.

OrangeChicken; I understand you get passionate about this, but just remember that tempered and collected reasoning gets a lot more respect than aggression and swearing. Although I admit the later gets MUCH more attention.

No one gives a shit because we're all adults with responsibilities and life problems.

All I'm trying to do is have fun while I'm living but I really can't, so I'm giving up with this cabinet.
Just so you know, I've been playing this game since 2002. Believe me, no matter how horrible you think the Acme machine is, I'm sure the places I used to regularly play at were far, FAR worse. Try and be happy you at least have something to play on that doesn't miss every 10th step. I feel sorry for the poor souls in Portland. I don't think they have a half-decent 4 panel game within an hour drive of them.

Also, I will agree that the non-hardcore regulars are all but gone now. I think the large fracas that happened last year (or was it two years back?) just made a lot of players feel like this community wasn't for "them" anymore. If the only people who play at Acme anymore are the hardcore, then they should get the pads the way they want them, maintenance headaches and all. Let Chris or one of them get back in charge of maintaining it.

Hopefully Bill will be able to offer some feedback on how we can reach a resolution to the issues here.

« Last Edit: October 26, 2015, 02:49:44 PM by Suko »
 
Laura
Read October 26, 2015, 04:09:35 PM #3607

I can go to Thursday and work on the pads. I was just made aware of this problem via PM (the only way I take messages about the pads, as has always been the case) today. That's really not bad turnaround time.

People occasionally complain about the pads but can never work with me to find a non-weekend time to meet up (taking the machine down over the weekend is a problem because of revenue. Casuals are there on the weekend and don't care about the pads, so pad work should be done on weekdays when the cabinet isn't getting play anyway.)

To the guy who messaged me: When do you want to meet on Thursday?

To everyone else: If you wanna meet on Thursday and give input about the pads, that would be awesome!
 
mvco
Read October 26, 2015, 05:18:21 PM #3608

Thanks Laura, your paycheck will be in the mail.  :-)
 
Laura
Read October 26, 2015, 05:22:55 PM #3609

Actually, tomorrow works too. Let me PM that guy and see if that can work for him.
 
BBH
Read October 26, 2015, 11:22:07 PM #3610

I feel sorry for the poor souls in Portland. I don't think they have a half-decent 4 panel game within an hour drive of them.

The Supernova 2 machine at the Beaverton Big Al's is actually still in pretty good shape!

Other than that...............


"not having new songs packs to play" is such a First World Problem. People really take for granted how good they have it with moddable machines.
 
WheelOfFortune
Read October 27, 2015, 12:45:33 AM #3611

"not having new songs packs to play" is such a First World Problem. People really take for granted how good they have it with moddable machines.
also hijack pls lel

« Last Edit: October 27, 2015, 12:47:40 AM by WheelOfFortune »
 
Laura
Read October 27, 2015, 03:36:05 PM #3612

Went to ACME and started totally rebuilding/remodding the pads.

- As of right now, we desperately need new sensors, and I am waiting on those from Bill, but they will be installed as soon as they're in. Until then, don't stress about a couple of misses. These are the sensors.

- The pads are way more flush than they used to be, and I don't love it, but they weren't high enough with less modding, and apparently they're going to compress dramatically with play, so don't stress about that either; if they are still too high after a couple of weeks, I'll find a hack to fix this.

That said, please play as much as possible and report any and all problems to me via PM ASAP. I can't fix the pads if I don't know what the problem is. Also be as specific as possible.

One more thing: If you hear a song with offensive lyrics, inform me IMMEDIATELY via PM, and include the name of the song and pack. We are on thin ice with ACME and if we don't remove every such song immediately, the machine could get pulled.

Thanks!
 
Thunderbird
Read October 28, 2015, 09:59:15 AM #3613

"not having new songs packs to play" is such a First World Problem. People really take for granted how good they have it with moddable machines.

This makes me remember when Extreme was out and there was no sign on the horizon of a new game. A very good point, for sure.

One more thing: If you hear a song with offensive lyrics, inform me IMMEDIATELY via PM, and include the name of the song and pack. We are on thin ice with ACME and if we don't remove every such song immediately, the machine could get pulled.

Thanks!

Fun times (not). It might be in the community's best interest if someone took a look at exactly what was installed on the machine, as if there is problematic material still on the machine, it might get played while none of us are around to hear and report it.
 
Laura
Read October 28, 2015, 10:22:55 AM #3614

I plan to sort through the content myself, BUT there are over 2k songs on the machine, and listening to all of them all the way through would take way too much time for that to be practical. I can catch things that seem obviously inappropriate (we already removed "N*ggas in Paris") but it's just not possible to catch every lyric of every song.
 
BLueSS
Read October 28, 2015, 12:52:05 PM #3615

Laura, how possible would it be to remove all added sing packs until proven to be appropriate?

This could help get the community involved, as they could inspect song packs to get them added again... Just throwing out an idea.
 
Suko
Read October 28, 2015, 09:49:13 PM #3616

Time to remove Little Bitch from DDR. =D
 
Laura
Read October 29, 2015, 11:20:21 AM #3617

Jon, that's more of a question for Tony, but I'll link him to the thread.

Also, to be clear, ACME is still a PG-13 establishment - the music they play over their own sound system isn't completely clean - so I'm not looking to remove every song with the word bitch in it. We're just looking for obviously offensive stuff like racial slurs and f-bombs. Even the word shit is probably fine if it happens once in the lyrics.
 
D0SBoots
Read October 29, 2015, 09:02:57 PM #3618

Whoa, what happened to the machine?!

Yuri and I came by for our regular Thursday thing, and everything was way weird.

First, the theme was reset back to what it was like a year ago, so no more fine-grained speed adjustments. Sad Also, all the records are gone. ;_; Is this part of the maintenance that happened the other day? Because it would be nice to go back to how it was...

Lastly, the pads are a *lot* worse. It might be affecting doubles/couples more than versus, but 7 and 8s that were easy full-combos now can't be done with less than 5 misses. P2-up is particularly bad, but also the middle arrows are totally non responsive on the middle edge.
 
Thunderbird
Read October 31, 2015, 10:04:28 AM #3619

I get the impression the pad issues are known, but new sensors are not available to remedy the problem. The theme stuff might have been done to remove the problematic judgement text that was mentioned earlier in the thread.
 
friendlyguy
Read November 02, 2015, 10:35:35 AM #3620

Hey friends! Just as a heads up to all of the modders:
I get it that you guys are moving on from ITG now that you can't have new songpacks 5 minutes after release but please don't shave Round1's IIDX keys to be flush.

Thanks,

-A Friend

« Last Edit: November 02, 2015, 12:58:10 PM by friendlyguy »
 
Laura
Read November 02, 2015, 02:51:15 PM #3621

Hello!

1. I've gotten reports that the pads did not hold up to testing, so I'm going to go work on them on Friday. There should be new sensors, which means we can remove a layer of the foam modding to make them much less flush but hopefully much more responsive.

2. The theme was indeed removed to deal with the FP judgments, which were going to get the machine pulled. Tony is working on a fix.

3. Tony also removed the high scores file temporarily because it was making the machine lag and is working on a fix for this too. Smiley
 
friendlyguy
Read November 04, 2015, 04:56:33 AM #3622


3. Tony also removed the high scores file temporarily because it was making the machine lag and is working on a fix for this too. Smiley
Sounds like a score for everyone if you catch my drift!

Thanks,

A Friend
 
Laura
Read November 04, 2015, 11:28:41 AM #3623

Guys, we need to talk.

I've heard through sources that there are way more complaints about the pads than I've been hearing or seeing here, meaning that people are complaining about the pads to others, not telling me, and then somehow expecting them to get fixed.

I hope we all see the problem with this.

I try to be as responsive and friendly as possible with every maintenance request I receive, but if I don't receive them, I will never know there's a problem. I play tech 8s-11s, so while I can test the pads myself, I'm not very likely to have the same kinds of problems that higher level players are having, or really any problems at all. I am well aware and not dismissive of this fact, which is why I ask that people who have maintenance requests try to meet me and play a couple of (free) games so they can test the work I've done.

Please... if you have a problem with the pads, just message me and explain nicely! If the problem you have is very very playstyle specific, the issue may not be addressed (the pads need to work for a wide variety of playstyles because this is a public machine,) but I promise if you give me a friendly report about what is wrong with the pads I will at least take it seriously and investigate it. If you give somebody else a less friendly report about what is wrong with the pads, it will be cheerfully ignored, even in the event that it does make its way back to me.
 
D0SBoots
Read November 05, 2015, 09:54:43 PM #3624

To be fair, it's possible that they didn't know about the forum, or knew but didn't care enough to go make an account.

Or they may have assumed that since the issue was already reported, there's no need to post duplicates - I've seen that a lot in my day job. Smiley

To make this a useful post, here's my assessment of where new/adjusted sensors are most needed based on my play and watching others:
#1. The up arrows
#2. P1 left

And for doubles/couples, the inner edge sensors. (Right edge sensors for P1, left edge sensors for P2)
 
Laura
Read November 06, 2015, 12:35:19 PM #3625

Today I went to ACME to work on the pads, and guys, I figured out why they were so bad when I left them in pretty good shape a couple of weeks ago. Somebody literally RIPPED OUT ALL THE MODDING WE SPENT HOURS ON.

Rather than rant myself, I'm just going to quote a Facebook post from Tony:

"More detailed post from Laura coming, but here's an Acme ITG update: someone yanked all the modding work out of the pads.

Let me tell you what is wrong with this: EVERYTHING.
- Laura and I are Masterman Vending employees and Acme management would rather pull the machine than let "non-employee players" open it up. Whoever did this risks the machine disappearing because they just had to be as entitled to a machine they do not themselves own, like the rest of the godforsaken ITG community.
- Those who reported pad issues to Laura got an immediate response. Work was quickly planned around the known state of the pads, and you made our jobs harder by doing this. Laura had to cancel fixing the pads today because she got there and found she no longer had the necessary materials on hand.
- And you wasted Bill's money by throwing away materials and labor he paid for. Send him a reimbursement check along with your picture, so he can make damn sure Acme stops letting you in the door for the foreseeable future because neither of us want you on this machine anymore if you can't behave.

If you were the one responsible, never do it again and avoid letting me find out it was you. I promise unpleasantness to whoever the fuck got it in their head that "walking into a private business and tampering with private equipment without permission" was not directly against the law."

Congratulations, guys. You're the scum of the earth.
 
 
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