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ChilliumBromide
February 27, 2009, 11:10:43 PM - ORIGINAL POST -

WHAT: 5.1.6. or ART@GKIM (lolol acronym is coincidence) [Another Random Tournament at Ground Kontrol in May]
WHEN: May 16th, 2009
WHERE: Ground Kontrol; 511 NW Couch St., Portland, OR

MIX: DDR Extreme, single

$10 entry fee (plus 50 cents for qualifier)
Qualifier must be played at Ground Kontrol before May 16th*

The Qualifier will be Gradiusic Cyber (AMD G5 Mix).

The machine will be on EVENT MODE.

Registration cap at 16

25 cents off drinks for people in the tournament.

Water jug set up for the tournament.

1st - 40% ($64 if cap is reached)
2nd - 25% ($40 if cap is reached)
3rd - 15% ($24 if cap is reached)
4th - 5% + GK gift card
5th - GK gift card

EX scoring.  P=2, Gr/OK = 1, everything else is 0


RULES
A. Bracketing and qualifier
-16-person, double-elimination
-no rematches before quarterfinal
-qualifiers will be reported using an honors system; multiple attempts are fine
-*If you can't get to Ground Kontrol prior to the tournament, that's fine.  Use you most recent score on another DDR Extreme machine, plus 50% greats or 4 greats if SDG/AAA.  We aren't going to worry about being too rigorous about the qualifier since it's double elim, as long as EVERYONE doesn't sandbag, it should be fine.

B. Song selection
-A player may select any particular song only once during the tournament.
-Any song rated 7, 8, or 9 feet may be selected during the tournament at any time
-Prior to the final round, each player may only select one song rated 10 or flashing 10.  10's may be selected freely during the final round.
-Matches will be 2 of 3.  
-The high seed player will pick which player plays on which side first.
-The player on the left side will pick the song.
-Players will switch sides for the second song.
-Third song, if necessary, will be picked using RANDOM; players may then select modifiers accordingly.  Low seed will pick which side to play on for the third song.
-During the matches for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th, the higher seed player will pick the first song, and the lower seed player will select the speed, turn, and note modifiers for that song.  The losing player will then select the next song, and the other will pick the mods.  This will continue in the fashion of Tennis until one player has won on at least 3 songs, and has at least 2 more victories than his or her opponent.  If each player wins 6 songs, the next player to win a song will win the match.

C. Time restraints
-If the tournament is still running at 4:40pm, we will relocate to Tilt! and finish up the last few matches.
-Assuming cap is reached, there will be 33 matches 2 of 3, and 3 matches Tennis.  36 matches total.
-2 of 3 matches should last no more than 6 minutes.  33 x 6 = 198 minutes = 3 hours, 18 minutes.
-Tennis matches should last between 5 and 25 minutes.  3 x 25 = 75 minutes = 3 hours, 15 minutes.
-The tournament should last from 12:00pm to 4:33pm.
-Delay of more than 60 seconds between matches will result in loss of match and/or disqualification.
-Delay of more than 40 seconds between songs will result in loss of match and/or disqualification.
-Because time is limited, and we're paying for it, please arrive with a list--whether physically, digitally, or mentally stored--of 15 to 25 songs you intend to play, so that you can quickly locate and choose those songs when you are selecting.

D. Etiquette
-Foul play will result in disqualification.  This includes striking, distracting, or otherwise interfering with other players, lying to the tournament organizer and supervisors, et cetera.
-Do not otherwise harass anyone.
-Please do not sing, shadow, et cetera during matches.
-Keep food, beverages, and personal belongings off of the machine during the tournament.
-Feel free to wait between matches in the downstairs area where there is more space and ample seating. (you will be retrieved by a tournament supervisor when your match is next)
-Please do not play other games unless you are willing to part with them immediately when your match is next or if you are disqualified.
-Respect the host establishment, Ground Kontrol, and its staff.
-Please do not bring outside drinks other than water; beverages will be available at a discounted rate for participants.
-If we reach the cap and I'm not completely broke at the time, I will go to Voodoo Doughnuts and buy two dozen doughnuts to share with everyone who:
a. respects these rules
b. stays for the whole tournament
c. wants them,
including people who didn't qualify/didn't enter.

E. Pad Arbitration, et cetera
-If you feel that a sensor is not responding under ample pressure, a panel is sticking, or a panel is triggering when it is not being pressed, inform a tournament supervisor and we will investigate.  "Pad greats" and the like will not be considered.  We will not recalculate such arbitration if you are being an asshole, or if the match is not particularly close.
-If you tend to drop holds, ask someone to watch while you play songs with numerous holds, so they can vouch for you if you do drop a hold.  We will not recalculate dropped holds if you switch feet during a hold, try to hit other panels with a foot that is holding, or the match is not particularly close.
-Pad arbitration will be recalculated to 1.5 points if you have 10-24 greats, 1 point if you have 25 or more greats, and 2 points if you have 9 or less greats.
-If it is determined that alleged pad arbitration would change the result of a match, that song will be considered a draw.

RSVP HERE!

« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 04:47:46 PM by BLueSS »
 
ChilliumBromide
Read March 05, 2009, 11:17:19 PM #26

This should be pretty cool.

Let's go to Voodoo afterwards.
 
BBH
Read March 05, 2009, 11:38:30 PM #27

also I will money match anyone at NBA Jam
 
Schlagwerk
Read March 06, 2009, 09:33:53 AM #28

also I will money match anyone at NBA Jam
I will money match anyone at Battle Zone! or Alien vs Predator (fear my masterful turkey stealing skills)

also pfft at Sugay Arcana Pedophiles 2
 
Iori241
Read March 07, 2009, 05:24:40 PM #29

I will bring a small TV so TMNT and Ranma can happen.
 
ChilliumBromide
Read March 08, 2009, 02:40:39 AM #30

If people want to run any side-tournaments, keep the following in mind:
-I won't be sponsoring them or claiming involvement in them, and they won't appear on flyers for the DDR tournament
-the DDR will most likely run from the time they open to just before they kick minors out. -if someone's not there for their match, they'll lose one round for every 150 seconds they delay the tournament.
-especially if you're going to RSVP, please actually make sure you'll be there and sign up for the tournament.  Expecting 8 people and getting 20 is something I can deal with.  Expecting 20 people and getting 8 just sucks.
-It would likely be most wise to run events on the day following.  The only reason that's not an option for the DDR tournament is because Sunday is their main repair day, and they don't want all that noise while they're trying to fix machines.
 
Iori241
Read March 08, 2009, 04:32:51 PM #31

also I will money match anyone at NBA Jam
I'm gonna level in this, you gotta teach me some good strats.
 
Schlagwerk
Read March 09, 2009, 09:33:08 AM #32

I will bring a small TV so TMNT and Ranma can happen.
I will not bring an SNES or the games so Ranma can not happen
 
Iori241
Read March 10, 2009, 11:16:55 AM #33

I will not bring an SNES or the games so Ranma can not happen
Scratch the TV, I'll just bring my PC then Smiley
 
ChilliumBromide
Read March 11, 2009, 09:27:08 PM #34

You guys are lucky I like you.
 
Schlagwerk
Read March 12, 2009, 08:16:19 AM #35

Scratch the TV, I'll just bring my PC then Smiley
Remind me to bring an industrial strength magnet, then ;P
 
Iori241
Read March 12, 2009, 03:20:52 PM #36

I'll just bring Damn Small Linux (CD) and a linux SNES emulator (Flash Drive). Problem solved.
 
ChilliumBromide
Read March 12, 2009, 10:36:59 PM #37

Oh, thanks for the reminder!

Due to special health codes in Toronto, we can't allow you to use magnets, firearms, women, or an axe to supplement or complement use of the bar.
 
discovolante
Read March 13, 2009, 03:19:47 PM #38

So, I just want to make it perfectly clear that we REALLY need to have the pads revamped before the tournament, hopefully sooner than later. The pads at GK have gone from passable to bad, on both sides.
 
ChilliumBromide
Read March 14, 2009, 06:22:46 PM #39

Yes, I'm more than aware of this, and it's something I specifically asked for.
 
ChilliumBromide
Read May 04, 2009, 11:05:25 PM #40

I want to make it clear right now that I really need people to NOT run side-tournaments.  If you want to run another tournament at Ground Kontrol at another time, or on another day, that's totally awesome, but don't go running some ghetto tournament out of your ass without talking to the management about it just to interfere with this.
 
Schlagwerk
Read May 05, 2009, 09:13:06 AM #41

out of your ass
Oh, so the same place you get all your "statistics" from?
 
Suko
Read May 05, 2009, 09:49:27 AM #42

I smell drama.
 
Iori241
Read May 05, 2009, 06:41:03 PM #43

I want to make it clear right now that I really need people to NOT run side-tournaments.  If you want to run another tournament at Ground Kontrol at another time, or on another day, that's totally awesome, but don't go running some ghetto tournament out of your ass without talking to the management about it just to interfere with this.

1) These tournaments won't even interfere because it's not like any of the bemani nazis will play the shit we do anyway.
2) It's not out of our ass. We have all the equipment we need, we have the computers together, and we have the participants ready. Can you say that for YOUR tournament? I think not.
3) Management has let me bring my laptop to GK before and play games on it. I've seen you play games on your laptop there too. I don't think there will be any problem with this. As for the 13" TV that we may or may not use for games, I think they will be fine with that. Either way I will be sure to clear it with the management.
4) I'm not sure if the people involved in playing these games are even going to play DDR. There are plenty of other games at GK that interest us, so whether we bring games or not there will be other shit people will be playing.
5) Wait.... you posted this a while back.
If there's a PSP tournament on the side, it damned well better be Lemmings, MGSPO+, or MPSPDOTBFTY14
Change your mind?

« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 07:42:12 PM by Iori241 »
 
ChilliumBromide
Read May 05, 2009, 07:52:17 PM #44

If you want to run something serious, I'm in no position to stop you.  I just want to make it clear that I'm taking the tournament I'm organizing here seriously, and I don't want people making a joke of it, because that reflects on a part of my reputation that I actually care about.  Just be considerate and I won't have a problem with it.  If you want to run a tournament on the same day, same time, don't call it a side-tournament.  It's not; whatever you're running is completely independent of what I'm running.
 
Iori241
Read May 05, 2009, 08:01:08 PM #45

If people want to run any side-tournaments
The wording was okay before... Why not now? You knew there were going to be silly games being played on the side before, so why take offense to it now? You trying to hype the tourney by causing drama?
And I don't think many people take Extreme seriously at this point either, so good luck having a "serious" tournament on DDR Extreme.
If you care so much about your reputation why don't you word things more carefully and be more cautious about your posting habits in general? You have even said "I don't care that much about my online reputation".
Sorry, but you can't bar me or anyone from calling these tourneys side-tourneys, because that is what they are. There is a main event and a lesser event being run at the same venue on the same date. Side event.
 
ChilliumBromide
Read May 05, 2009, 08:23:53 PM #46

Because I'd rather not have to disqualify people for delaying the tournament, which I will have to do if people in the tournament are trying to be involved in other things simultaneously.

I care about my reputation as an event organizer.  I don't care about my reputation as a forum troll, or my reputation as a statistician.  That's why I said "part of"; I really couldn't care less about what people think of my posting habits on boards I don't moderate; they're an arbitrary part of my personality.  Anyone who seriously is going to judge me by them needs to grow up.

I'd really rather not be associated with events I'm not running, and which I know nothing about.  I can't bar you from doing anything, but I can ask that you respect my efforts to put together this event. 

I don't see any advantages you'd possibly reap from organizing "side-tournaments".  If I were running something big, with a few days to run it, I'd understand, because I'd possibly be drawing friends and family of people interested in the main event, and those friends and family would be able to enjoy side-events.  That's not the case though.  I'm running an event for a handful of people over the course of a few hours.
Side-tournaments make sense at FG tournaments that draw 50 to 100 people.  They make sense at events like Kumoricon which draws a few thousand people.  They don't make sense on the side of a tournament which they're clearly going to overshadow.  Let's be realistic: 16 people aren't going to show up contending for first place.  Two or three people (kddr, ethan, maybe hooby) might show up contending for first.  That's why I have prizes up to 5th.  I want to encourage people who aren't all that likely to "win" to still show up and participate.  However, at best I'll get maybe 12 or 13 people.  I'll be amazed if the cap is reached.  Any fighting game, even a total joke run on an emulator on a 13" TV, can easily draw four or five times as many people as this will.

I'm not making any demands, just a request, because I don't want to be trying to run an actual tournament on the side of your jokes.


EDIT: btw, slightly on-topic.  Post number 2009 lololol.

« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 08:25:43 PM by DancingTofu »
 
BBH
Read May 06, 2009, 01:59:30 AM #47

Let's be realistic: 16 people aren't going to show up contending for first place.  Two or three people (kddr, ethan, maybe hooby) might show up contending for first.  That's why I have prizes up to 5th.  I want to encourage people who aren't all that likely to "win" to still show up and participate.

But guess what, with this ridiculous stance on nobody being allowed to have any fun playing anything else outside of your very important DDR tournament, you're driving away people from entering. Count me out.
 
Iori241
Read May 06, 2009, 02:05:57 AM #48

Because I'd rather not have to disqualify people for delaying the tournament, which I will have to do if people in the tournament are trying to be involved in other things simultaneously.

I care about my reputation as an event organizer.  I don't care about my reputation as a forum troll, or my reputation as a statistician.  That's why I said "part of"; I really couldn't care less about what people think of my posting habits on boards I don't moderate; they're an arbitrary part of my personality.  Anyone who seriously is going to judge me by them needs to grow up.

I'd really rather not be associated with events I'm not running, and which I know nothing about.  I can't bar you from doing anything, but I can ask that you respect my efforts to put together this event. 

I don't see any advantages you'd possibly reap from organizing "side-tournaments".  If I were running something big, with a few days to run it, I'd understand, because I'd possibly be drawing friends and family of people interested in the main event, and those friends and family would be able to enjoy side-events.  That's not the case though.  I'm running an event for a handful of people over the course of a few hours.
Side-tournaments make sense at FG tournaments that draw 50 to 100 people.  They make sense at events like Kumoricon which draws a few thousand people.  They don't make sense on the side of a tournament which they're clearly going to overshadow.  Let's be realistic: 16 people aren't going to show up contending for first place.  Two or three people (kddr, ethan, maybe hooby) might show up contending for first.  That's why I have prizes up to 5th.  I want to encourage people who aren't all that likely to "win" to still show up and participate.  However, at best I'll get maybe 12 or 13 people.  I'll be amazed if the cap is reached.  Any fighting game, even a total joke run on an emulator on a 13" TV, can easily draw four or five times as many people as this will.

I'm not making any demands, just a request, because I don't want to be trying to run an actual tournament on the side of your jokes.


EDIT: btw, slightly on-topic.  Post number 2009 lololol.
1) I already iterated that we would 99% sure not be competing so why does that even matter.

2) o

3) You're associated with them just being in this topic, get over it.

4) There are probably only going to be 5 people in the first place, and it's not even gonna be that exciting. I guarantee you CRH would be 10x more hype. Why not run ITG2 at Tilt? That would even be a little more exciting than DDR. You gotta do something interesting or exciting to draw people to your tourneys. You would get better turn out with hyper events / announcers etc.

EDIT:
Oh yeah and I'll money match you first to 10 for $350 in DDR. You pick the songs and rules. So free... If you want hype there it is right there. I know you're sitting on at least that much money right now so you have no reason to decline.

« Last Edit: May 06, 2009, 02:32:30 AM by Iori241 »
 
Suko
Read May 06, 2009, 10:00:28 AM #49

Quote
Why not run ITG2 at Tilt? That would even be a little more exciting than DDR.

I disagree. DDR tournaments always have closer matches than ITG. The separation between player skill is just way too pronounced in ITG tournaments. I have been to a few tournies for both DDR and ITG2 and I always seem to walk away with more "awesome moments" in the DDR tournies.

Regarding this side-tourny: You two need to calm down. Tofu, perhaps you can change the date and time or Iori could shift his to another day. To be perfectly honest, I don't see the crossover potential of serious DDR players and serious fighting game players. Sure a DDR player might play a fighting game, but very few play at a competition level and vice versa.
 
Iori241
Read May 06, 2009, 11:37:30 AM #50

I disagree. DDR tournaments always have closer matches than ITG. The separation between player skill is just way too pronounced in ITG tournaments. I have been to a few tournies for both DDR and ITG2 and I always seem to walk away with more "awesome moments" in the DDR tournies.

Regarding this side-tourny: You two need to calm down. Tofu, perhaps you can change the date and time or Iori could shift his to another day. To be perfectly honest, I don't see the crossover potential of serious DDR players and serious fighting game players. Sure a DDR player might play a fighting game, but very few play at a competition level and vice versa.

The only issue is that at this point in the game it would come down to AAA'ing stuff in the tourney. Tilt's pads are more regularly maintained, and the songs are hard enough that a great usually won't ruin your score. All the songs available in DDR are also available on ITG, so there's absolutely no reason to use a dated scoring system and a limited song list in this day and age. If it was ITG 1 I'd say run DDR, but ITG 2 is the most 4 panel dance game in terms of features now. If you're worried about people getting raped by top players, enforce a mod handicap, or even make everyone play with mods. Also keep in mind that no one plays dance games here anymore, so it's not like people will be that practiced to start with

I don't really need to calm down because I've been arguing for the sake of argument since he bumped the topic. With the resistance he offered in that post I figured that it would be a hassle to run it there if it was going to be like this. It is curious why he would sponsor other events but not ours. Lemmings would be a lot less serious, and MPO+ would have basically no players.  The whole point of us running side tourney in the first place was to play a few entertaining games on the side (which would happen at GK regardless of us bringing a TV or not). If he really wants to be king of the world for a day, he can be my guest. 

Money Match offer stands though.
 
 
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