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[KevinDDR]

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We can add songs to the Acme Bowl ITG cabinet now.

I'm in charge of this, so basically this is how it works:


1. Post in the thread a link to the song that you want added to the machine. Make sure the audio is in the correct format, the SM file works with R21 syncing, and that you have a banner/background file if you don't want a generic one.
2. I'll play the song on my custom ITG build, and tell you if it's appropriate to add to the Acme machine.
3. Barring any weird stuff going on in my life, I'll add the song to the Acme ITG cabinet next time I do an update. This should occur fairly frequently.
4. If you have a song that you want added but don't have the file yourself (or it's a really common file), just post the song name and author and I'll look for it. I have all the DDR song packs converted for hacking, so that should be possible to add immediately.

Current Added Songs/Packs
ITG3
ITG Rebirth
Customs 1:
 Loituma (12) (syncing is correct)
 Lucky (9) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Seven (11) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Shades of Blue (10) (syncing untested, let me know)
 The Final Hour (12) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Boten Anna (11) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Candyman (10) (slightly late, will fix)
 Crazy Loop (11) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Feels Like That Night (10) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Infernoplex (12) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Listen to Your Heart (10) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Tricky Disco (10) (syncing is correct)
 I Can Walk on Water, I Can Fly (11) (syncing untested, let me know)
 Heaven (11) (syncing untested, let me know)
Flash Exclusives ^_^ & Friends v2
Songs to be added on 5/xx/10
More Flash Exclusives stuff

...and of course more requests!

Other nice things
OpenITG beta2 installed
ITG3 Theme
ITG Empress theme (will be fixed soon)
Song Wheel Speed is set to Very Fast
Custom Speed Mods
A couple marathons.

Other planned hacks currently:[/b]
ITG Gold Theme (probably in May)
Theme Switcher (enter a pad code on the main menu, and a menu will pop up letting you switch the theme before your game)

[mvco]

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Many thanks to those that believe in not raping the play time per dollar.  we greatly appreciate that, and is the biggest reason why we allow this to go on in the first place.  If it was just getting raped with 15 minute game times, it would have been disabled by now.  Keep it fair, everyone wins!  :-)

[ancsik]

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I'm going to have to agree with Kevin; many of us are busy people and can't spend hours waiting in the arcade for our next set, and it's just downright aggravating to see people play 20 minute sets [I have seen people play 6-7 minute songs for their whole set regularly, and still do see it].  As well as disrespectful to other players who don't do that, it is severely disrespectful to Bill, since r21 was not meant to allow for it.  I've made a personal habit of playing long songs as my first or second song and failing out of the next if I pass, purely to be a good person and not steal extra playtime.

As for the comparison to DDR's oni courses, barring a couple exceptions like World Tour (which was severely edited for later versions, likely for time issues), the average course is 6-7 songs, each about 1:20-1:35 in length.  That comes out to about 10 minutes of play, vs ITG's roughly 9 minute marathons (songs are usually a little over 2 minutes) and 11 minute survival courses.  So the comparison to long songs via r21 is pretty invalid.

@Laura: The timer is something like 45 seconds with no scroll-stall like DDR (no penalty while data is loading, stops applying after enough time is wasted scrolling), so it becomes hard to sift through more than one section of the list on default sort.  Especially in the wake of new songs, this is a very awkward thing because you really don't have to time to go browsing through more than a couple songs.  Unfortunately, it's very exploitable with no limit, so I do agree with the sentiment, but the timer, as far as I know, cannot be adjusted other than turning it off, so it sucks either way.

EDIT: typos, minor rewording

[SomeLauraChick]

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1. Long versions are, at best, milking the machine - by playing 3 6-to-8 minute long songs, you're quite literally tripling your play time (3 songs, 2 minutes each = 6 minutes.) At worst, they're also inconsiderate. If I'm at ACME with Tony and one other person, I don't mind waiting 15 minutes for a set. If there are lots of people there, the last thing I want to do is see Heaven 5 times in a row. Plus, when most people fail, they don't try to quit out, they let their friends take over.

2. Honestly, unlimited scroll time is a little excessive, too. Maybe we could set it back to 99 seconds so people can't scroll forever? (I was guilty of this when the new songs came out, because I wanted to see what was put on the machine, and I think in that case it's fairly justified, but 99 seconds at a time is definitely enough no matter what!)

Long version songs have been nothing but trouble ever since people learned how to hack their song files. I really feel like that "hack" was more meant for cohesive, good charts that happened to be 10 or so seconds over the limit, not exploiting the machine for all it's worth.

Over the years, I've been in MANY different financial situations, and I definitely remember being a college student or working for barely over minimum wage and being really tempted by any sort of exploits, but you have to realize, the arcade industry is suffering, and if the machines don't make enough money, they're not going to be around for us. If anybody seriously objects to paying a dollar for an eight minute song, they should probably consider paying 7-8k for their very own ITG2 machine when this one stops making enough money and gets pulled from ACME.

[KevinDDR]

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This is quite possibly the most selfish thing I've heard from anyone here in a long while. You act as it's your right to play 6-8 minute songs for the price of one, but it's not. The machine wasn't originally intended to be used in this way, and the only reason it is possible now is because Konami fuxed over Roxor, so Roxor gave everything they could to the players and the community with the R21 patch.

Double post time!

Another thing to mention is that, again, even when Roxor "gave everything they could to the players, they didn't mean for people to abuse long songs. This is shown by the default built in 2-min limit. R23 fixes this bug.

[KevinDDR]

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Relax, the most of a restriction that'll be put on is something like 6-8 minute songs count as two stages. That way you get a long and short version for one credit. I'd like to remind you that the official game has no songs over 2:25 or something of the sort. If you play the longest song in official ITG 3 times in a row, you're playing under 8 minutes of songs. If you are playing on an R23 cabinet, the OGG patch doesn't work. The game was not meant to allow for 8 minute songs counting as one stage. Keep in mind it's also really fucking unfair to the people such as me who only stop by for 2 hours and usually try and get more than one set in per visit. Another thing to mention: the patch is actually installed BY DEFAULT on the game. If you add songs to the machine, they AUTOMATICALLY COUNT AS MORE THAN ONE STAGE. The only reason they don't when you use a USB drive is because you fuck up the length stamps on the OGG files tricking the game into thinking songs are shorter than they are. That's effectively like stealing free playtime, so I wouldn't say that disallowing such things constitutes "messing up the machine". If you were to load any long files onto the machine permanently, they'd count as more than one stage. Just saying.

[Junpei Iori]

Junpei Iori

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i think he was overexaggerating when he said 20 minutes. anyways i dont think the long version hack should be used. but if people REALLY want it, then i think 2-3 min songs should be 1 stage, and 4-6 min songs should be 2 stages. and songs like for a lifetime are WAY too long and shouldnt be played. and i agree, very few people nowdays at acme can do the popular long songs, but theres alot of people that do those songs, fail at some point in a song, and like 100 people take turns on just that one song like its a fuckin orgy. people really need to stop doin that so much. if theres no one waiting to play then i guess its ok to do it

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If I have to pay a buck now to play just Boten Anna or I can walk on water I'm going to be severely pissed off

This is quite possibly the most selfish thing I've heard from anyone here in a long while. You act as it's your right to play 6-8 minute songs for the price of one, but it's not. The machine wasn't originally intended to be used in this way, and the only reason it is possible now is because Konami fuxed over Roxor, so Roxor gave everything they could to the players and the community with the R21 patch.

If you play a song that's 8 minutes long an has 3000+ steps, don't you think that the wear and tear on the machine (per song) are greater than if you just played a regular song with 500 steps? It seems very reasonable that the operators of the machine can recoup some of the cost to repair the machine and keep it maintained by counting it as two rounds.

Unless the machine is inside a a house, these machines are used as part of a business. It is important (especially in the failing arcade industry), that owners try to make as much of a profit on their machines as possible while also being fair to the players.

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Long Version Hack (Bill, this is highly relevant to you. People can no longer abuse the custom song feature in the game to play 20 minute long songs. If they do so, they will count as 3 songs much like the long versions in GuitarFreaks and Drummania.)

I think we need to load Flower Forever, Heaven, One Winged Angel, etc etc so that they have to count as MORE THAN ONE STAGE

Um I've not yet seen anyone play a 20min song at Acme. Longest I've seen are a couple of 6-8mins that I and few others play. If I have to pay a buck now to play just Boten Anna or I Can Walk on Water I'm going to be severely pissed off I would think similar to challenge courses being more-play-for-your-buck for experts on ddrextreme, longer songs are the equivalent of getting more for your dollar at acme. Since very few of us can do songs like Flower Forever or For a Lifetime, I think this is an unneccessary and undesirable change to the machine. I spend upwards of 8-12 bucks as is at Acme every trip; I would be less inclined to pay 20 bucks for the same songs as I play now for 12 as I would to just go for a run for free. I'm sorry sometimes you have to wait for the next guy to play something epic but I would argue taking forever to scroll through the song list to pick or opting to play by yourself rather than letting someone else take the other pad wastes as much waiting-player time as letting those of us who play these songs do so. Please for the love of god don't mess up the ITG2 machine...

[Junpei Iori]

Junpei Iori

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man those are old school haha.

A lot of them are spread files, so I'm not sure if they are really suitable for index (let alone pad, even by today's standards)

i know Moon Child, Pump Me Amadeus, Red Zone, Showa, and Warcry of Salieri are paddable and not too hard. not too sure about the other songs. so ok putting the whole pack is probably a waste of space =P

oh wait the moon child on there isnt paddable. i was thinking of another moon child

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Take a look at Famikon especially; it's very catchy.

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http://www.monova.org/details/1663771/STEPMANIA%20-%20SKOR%27S%20SELECTION%20OF%20HIGH%20QUALITY%20SIMFILES%09.html

man those are old school haha.

A lot of them are spread files, so I'm not sure if they are really suitable for index (let alone pad, even by today's standards)

[Junpei Iori]

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http://www.monova.org/details/1663771/STEPMANIA%20-%20SKOR%27S%20SELECTION%20OF%20HIGH%20QUALITY%20SIMFILES%09.html

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po pipo pipo po pi po

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I seriously have an awesome simfile of that.

[Keby]

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. . . oh god

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[Junpei Iori]

Junpei Iori

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oh and dont put anything from r21freak. most of their stuff sucks

and btw how is the long version hack gonna work if the machine recognizes patched songs as 1:45 instead of the real length?

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Entire DWI Extreme series is a safe bet due to accessible songs and EXCELLENT charts.

[SomeLauraChick]

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I think we need to load Flower Forever, Heaven, One Winged Angel, etc etc so that they have to count as MORE THAN ONE STAGE

I personally WOULD play oldschool DDR songs... like the 3rd Mix Korean stuff. But if the popular vote says no, the popular vote says no.

Jon, that'd be AWESOME if you could compile pop songs.

[Keby]

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...until the song is over.

I totally agree with you there.

And kevin, I assume we can get you to upload custom made songs made by us, if you find them worthy right?
Because I have quite a few I'm working on that I think would be cool to have on there ^_^

[Junpei Iori]

Junpei Iori

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Put one of Skor's simfile packs on there. thatll be fuckin nice. and no gay shit like kiss me thru the phone, crank that soujla boy, lucky, etc. im tired of hearing those songs. put real nigga shit on there, nam talkin bout? oh and i agree with davyn no ddr songs. its just not right

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...until the song is over.

[patrick]

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I could start compiling the a "pop songs" folder...  (and no, it wouldn't be stepcharts for the ITG fanboys, but it might make more $$ for the machine, which is NEVER a bad thing!).

You really should, I'm sure ITG would make a lot of revenue if they heard some lady gaga or whoever

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I could start compiling the a "pop songs" folder...  (and no, it wouldn't be stepcharts for the ITG fanboys, but it might make more $$ for the machine, which is NEVER a bad thing!).