Dance Dance Revolution Arcades website. Seattle, Tacoma, Portland DDR and Arcade Games forum.Be our Fan! / New Topics
 PNWBemani on Facebook  PNWBemani on Twitter
 
Advanced Search

User

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length

Stats

Members
Users Online
Users: 1
Guests: 26
Total: 27

Music Games We Play

Welcome, guest! Join our community today!
Register now to receive Posting Access and to join other DDR and music gamers from the PNW.
NOTE: New posts are on the first page of the thread for guests.
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6
0 Members and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
May 22, 2009, 11:43:19 AM - ORIGINAL POST -
SomeLauraChick

{Tournament} Be In My Paradise 6/27/09 - Paradise Bowl, Tacoma WA


In order to combat the divisiveness that seems to exist between the "hardcore ITG" crowd and the "PA" and "just for fun" DDR crowds, I bring the latter group a silly, fun tournament!

WHAT: Be In My Paradise (lol get it) DDR Extreme tournament

WHEN: Saturday, 6/27/09, at noon.

WHERE: http://www.bowlparadise.net/ / 12505 Pacific Avenue S., Tacoma, WA

ENTRY FEE: $5.00

RULES:

16 player single elimination - Tennis style matches are longer than your standard matches, so it needs to be single elim if 16 players show up. If only eight or fewer players show up, we can revise this to be eight player double elim very easily.

Tennis style matches - The win condition for a tennis style match is that you need to play AT LEAST three songs against your opponent, and you must be at least two wins ahead of them. Best two out of three, then, is not a win YET, but best three out of four is. Same with best three out of five, six out of ten, etc etc. Due to the tennis style format, this tournament needs to be no more than sixteen players, or it will take all day! Low seed picks either the side they want or first song. The second song will be picked by the next player. At this point, each subsequent song will be chosen by the player who lost the immediately previous song until the match has ended. If a song is a tie, the player who selected longest ago gets next selection.

Failing your own song - If you pick it, you pass it. If you don't, you automatically lose the song regardless of your opponent.

Forfeiture: Players confronted with a particularly challenging song will be allowed to forfeit the song with no effect on the match (unless, by forfeiture, you're giving your opponent the final point they need to win the match.) Once a player forfeits, you HAVE to stick with your song choice and play that song. Because of this, I encourage all players to talk to each other to make any legitimate health concerns known. Nobody is an ass for picking HVAM if they didn't know the guy they're playing has a bad knee. "I'm allergic to bad music" is not a health concern, and will probably get you The Reflex or Crash. You are better off including your opponent in the song choice if you want to play a 10.

Asshat rule: There will be no difficulty caps in the traditional sense, HOWEVER I am enforcing a no asshole rule by capping LITERALLY - while all difficulties are permissible in this tournament, if you do something that is clearly mean spirited, like pick a 10 against a person you know to have physical limitations (athsma, GERD, has only been playing a week), or exploit factors that have nothing to do with playing ability (picking songs with all freezes when you suspect the other player's side is dropping them, taking note that an arrow might be sticking, and thus playing songs that are all stomps on that arrow), you will be forced to wear a comedically large hat ("the asshat") while you play the rest of the round, so that people know that you were an asshat. If the hat comes off, you lose the song. This is both in the spirit of fun and games, and to make sure that people aren't jerks.

Prizes: The prize pool will be split among the top four players as follows: 1st - 50% 2nd - 25% 3rd - 15% 4th- 10%. Additionally, there will be other fun prizes to be revealed day of!

New players/consolation prizes: Last place player will receive a "lightly used" copy of ITG home from my and my husband's "consolidated" collection to encourage new community members to participate.

Qualifiers: Each player who enters this tournament, as well as any and all spectators who wish to participate, should write a qualifier down on an index card which will be cut in half (the hot dog way) (will be provided) and toss it into the hat at the beginning of the tournament. When it is time to qualify, I will draw a suggestion out of the hat at random, and that will be the qualifier, unless the random choice was clearly a joke (5.1.1. light, MaxX Unlimited, etc etc.) Please refrain from suggesting "joke" songs unless they have some actual merit. If a player wishes, they can enter a song on left, right, or mirror, but please no other mods (sudden, flat, boost, etc etc). If the person whose chart is picked as the qualifier is playing in the tournament, they have to go first - so please write your name on the piece of index card.

Scoring: Perfects = 2, Greats = 1, nothing else = anything. Pad arbitration will take place on a case by case basis IF any pad errors would change the outcome of the match. If you get 2 pad misses and 30 greats, and the guy you played against AAA'd the song, no redo for you.  

Modification of rules rule: THESE ARE THE FINAL RULES unless something goes seriously wrong day of.

Feel free to suggest additions/alternatives to the rules. However, if the suggestions lead to drama, they will be respectfully disregarded. I'm all ears otherwise, though! Cheesy

EDIT: Forgot to address ties in the rules. Whoops. Tongue
EDIT 2: Grammar. I'm not telling you WHAT grammar because, as a former English major, I'm embarrassed.
EDIT 3: I NEED PLAYER INPUT. Would you prefer a 10 dollar entry fee and a much larger prize pool, or a 5 dollar entry fee, so you have less to lose?
EDIT 4: Changed the rules in regards to song forfeiture.
EDIT 5: Added Paradise's physical address to the thread.
EDIT 6: Added modification of rules rule.
EDIT 7: Modified qualifiers rule. PLEASE READ!
EDIT 8: Added official "entry fee."
EDIT 9: Modified modification of rules, modified qualifier rules, added scoring. HAVE FUN GUYS! Cheesy

« Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 10:46:46 AM by BLueSS »
 
May 22, 2009, 09:27:24 PM Read #36
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I'll be happy to put up to $10 into each tournament as long as I can get that carpool going and I can participate in both.  Hell, maybe I'll actually win a tournament with a prize again. ;P


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
May 22, 2009, 05:20:59 PM Read #35
BLueSS

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I'd say pick random for the qualifier as well. That way there's no potential for biases or picking a song someone will be good at.
Would the qualifiers be the day of, or done in advance?

I'd rather have $5 entry fee, with less risk.
I agree with "no 10s unless both agree".

I'll be entering if it doesn't interfere with running the air hockey tournament.

And how much for the air hockey tournament? $3?

PS: I'm working on fixing the PMs.

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 05:25:57 PM by BLueSS »
 
May 22, 2009, 04:08:35 PM Read #34
ancsik

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I'm definitely a fan of player input on the qual, but I can agree that advanced knowledge might be detrimental given the rarity of good Extremes these days.  We used to give the song (or a set from which it would be picked, randomly or not, day of) in advance, but it used to be easy for anyone to hop on an extreme when there were decent machines everywhere and really good machines at a few fairly convenient locations.

I would agree with each player putting a choice into the asshat as they register, then one is chosen when quals start (late registrations won't be allowed to suggest something, obviously).  Pursuant to other rules, things like 10's being suggested can be screened as necessary if drawn from the hat.  My hope is that players will suggest things they see a good measures of skill, rather than some niche chart that gives them the upper hand, but that's what Laura's pre-screen was supposed to cover.

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 04:20:21 PM by ancsik »
 
May 22, 2009, 03:58:04 PM Read #33
Tricksy

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I've spoken to Laura about this personally, and she suggested that I post it here for discussion.

I am more in favor of random qualifier OR having Laura pick a qualifier with absolutely zero player input.  The only reason is that some people live relatively closely to machines, while others don't, so I feel like giving up this knowledge beforehand allows people to whore out the song.  So if the qualifier was something like Hyper (Earlybeat) Eurobeat, someone who can't sub 10 Freckles could practice a lot and get used to that timing and sub 5 it, whereas a player who is much more skilled might screw it up after not playing it for awhile.  That would make the seeds off-balance and make for a more boring tournament.

So for the sake of balanced seeding, I would suggest making the players unaware of the qualifier until the day of.  (Also, if the qualifier was random and turned up as a 10 footer or something retarded like The Reflex, the tournament director will have the option of selecting a different random song.  This is a fun tournament, not someone crying because Duran Duran is a painfully tortured soul with uneven BPM.)

Anyone else have thoughts on that?

EDIT:  I think it might be nice if upon arriving to the tourney, everyone wrote their own personal suggestion for a qualifier on a piece of paper (within reason), and Laura would put all suggestions into the asshat and pulled a choice at random right before the tournament starts.  Any issues with this?

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 04:02:18 PM by Tricksy »
 
May 22, 2009, 03:50:35 PM Read #32
Rainault

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


No comments from me about the tournament, except to say that I'm looking forward to it and will definitely be there!
 
May 22, 2009, 03:45:03 PM Read #31
ancsik

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Paradise's game list is out of date, I don't know where Bill has put AX, but it wasn't there a week ago.

@Tofu: I haven't tried MU, LoM, or PSM (H/O) recently, Max300 was kind of a last ditch thing in the hope that it'd wear you out so we'd break the tie and it was actually a huge risk on my part - the Wednesday before (first time playing since S-con), I played it, finished it, and keeled over in exhausted.  I knew I could take you on it, but I legitimately did not know if I'd be able to keep playing after.  My timing hasn't dwindled (it's actually gotten better) since I stopped playing seriously, but my endurance is not what it used to be, and I wouldn't make it halfway through the tournament if there was a 10 or two every round.  11's and 12's take my knee down without fail now.  Oddly my asthma's almost never been an issue at any level, unless I'm sick.

I'm willing to accept the agree-on-10's rule, since 10's take the form of extremely niche tech charts (bag/sakura) or extremely stamina draining charts (everything else), and in either case, the only real practice you can have is playing the 10's.

Something to pull up from Jerrad's tournaments as a discussion piece: forcing consistent chart changing mods (left, right, mirror, maybe even little or no freeze) for both players to add to the number of charts per song choice options.  Jerrad allowed it during carded tournaments and even forced some for quals and it could be implemented as either an addition to your choice or a way for your opponent to "counter" your song choice (some charts become very different with a rotation), in either case it could be freely available, limited to once per round, or limited to x over the course of the day.  I'm kind of neutral towards the idea and just want to see what people think about it.  I think Jerrad and/or DMN have included at various points the rule "anything is valid if the players agree and it doesn't take extra time."
 
May 22, 2009, 03:16:47 PM Read #30
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Tofu, I'd love to see you and Ethan there. Smiley


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
May 22, 2009, 02:54:49 PM Read #29
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


don't have any SHMUPS.
lameness. :[  This is definitely my second favourite genre of Video Games after Rhythm Games. :/


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
May 22, 2009, 02:51:10 PM Read #28
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Holy crap? If they truly have the F-Zero AX cabinet there, I know what I'll be doing in-between sets! Too bad they don't have any SHMUPS.


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
May 22, 2009, 02:40:28 PM Read #27
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I don't think I can afford multiple train trips to Seattle/Tacoma this summer, and I'd like to make it to this, the Summer DDR Conference in Canadaland, and any other tournaments that pop up, meaning I'll be operating on $50 or so for each event. Tongue (maybe $100 for the Canada thing; I can see if my dad would be willing to pay for the passport since that's a more general thing to have in life)  That said, if Ethan and one or two other people from Portland would be interested, it would cost about $20 each round trip. (140 miles each way; that's 14 gallons at 20 mpg R.T., which at current gas prices would be $49 or so; leftover money could be given to the driver for getting us there and back.)


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
May 22, 2009, 02:31:16 PM Read #26
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Actually, we should look into getting some 1st Aid certified people at tournaments.

I know this is kind of a long shot, but the infamous Chris Foy has EMT/Firefighter training, which would make him extremely qualified for this... but he's also a Bemani player, so he'd actually enjoy being there! I'll call him tonight and see if it's possible that he could come with some of his "gear" as a personal favor.

Also, Tofu, I don't know exact details but there is a train station in Tacoma. I've heard that taking the train from Portland to Tacoma is cake... it just might be too expensive. Either way, if you guys can get to the train station I'd be happy to drive the rest of the way.


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
May 22, 2009, 02:26:41 PM Read #25
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Anyone from Portland or south of here available to carpool for this?  I can start talking to people with cars if I can find 2 or 3 other folks who could split the expense with me.

Also, would people feel that 7/13/09 would be too soon to run another PNW tournament after this?  Ground Kontrol's interested in hosting another tournament sometime in the next couple months.


P.S.
It's a trick!  Tony killed me on Max 300 last weekend! ;P
Actually, we should look into getting some 1st Aid certified people at tournaments.  Enough of the people from the old scene have problems now that it would make sense.  Hell, even I have an asthma attack now and then and I'm a pretty active guy (I bike 20-60 miles on a typical day), and who hasn't twisted an ankle doing crossovers or sprained a wrist doing hands? (I actually haven't done this personally, but I have cut my leg open sightreading a friend's Saint chart no bar when I missed the pad on one of the jumps.)


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
May 22, 2009, 02:21:04 PM Read #24
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


It's up on Beatspace.net. I hope it catches some attention. I'll do the same for the ITG tournament once things are finalized.

http://beatspace.net/ViewEvent.aspx?eid=46


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
May 22, 2009, 02:14:11 PM Read #23
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


If you look carefully it's on their website. Wink But point taken, fixed!


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
May 22, 2009, 02:12:17 PM Read #22
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I suggest putting the address in your post. The "directions" provided on their website aren't exactly clear. I had to go to their MySpace page to get their exact address.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=12505+Pacific+Avenue,+Parkland,+Wa.+98444&sll=47.814077,-122.271856&sspn=0.02075,0.143852&ie=UTF8&ll=47.146299,-122.414646&spn=0.074721,0.181961&t=h&z=13&iwloc=A


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
May 22, 2009, 02:00:35 PM Read #21
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Yes, I am having this problem. For now, if anyone wants to communicate with me outside of this thread, I am logged on to AIM as "lauraeighttofive" and will take all questions/concerns there. Smiley

I PREFER AIM greatly, but if you can't swing that, "somelaurachick@gmail.com" always works, too.

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 02:03:44 PM by Laura »


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
May 22, 2009, 01:53:00 PM Read #20
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Crono, I look forward to our second meeting. Since SakuraCon I know who you are now, and I don't intend to underestimate you. Wink

Laura, I sent you a PM and got your reply, but I can't open the PM. I keep clicking it and it just keeps taking me back to the PM inbox. Is anyone else having this problem?

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 01:58:20 PM by Suko »


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
May 22, 2009, 01:36:34 PM Read #19
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09



The other thing you could do is have a light tournament. Sounds silly at first, but it's actually pretty intense! (And, fun for the whole family!)


I actually suggested this in the other thread. It's surprisingly hard!!

If everybody wants 10s to be a "both players agree" thing, I can make 10s a "both players agree" thing. The forfeiture rules still need to apply, though, for other reasons. Sometimes there's a legit reason to forfeit a song even if the person picking it isn't being a jerk. One time I ended up becoming ill mid-tournament and needed to forfeit any song I was given to go throw up, but I didn't want to leave the tournament, just lose the match so I could play later rounds in the loser's bracket after I felt better.


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
May 22, 2009, 01:33:18 PM Read #18
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Quote
I wouldn't choose MaxX to begin with, but giving someone the asshat after taking the bar down from MaxX to HVAM is pretty terrible. Personally I feel that the difference between the two songs is HUGE.

Not to somebody who explicitly states they have a bad knee. HVAM is one of the most "stream" heavy songs in the game, and it's fast. This is about function of song choice, not how the two charts compare in general.

But if you really think this will be a problem, I'd prefer to modify the rule to err on the side of protecting the players, so if you think it's better, I'll remove the option to change your song selection.


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
May 22, 2009, 01:32:49 PM Read #17
ddrcrono

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


In all honesty, if this is supposed to be a more "casual" tournament to contrast the ITG one, perhaps you should just say "No 10 step songs unless there's mutual agreement between the two players". That seems very reasonable to me.

That sounds pretty reasonable, given that it's supposed to be a casual tournament. We have the same rule for ITG tournaments and customs - we've actually had people agree to play a 16 for one of the songs. xD

The other thing you could do is have a light tournament. Sounds silly at first, but it's actually pretty intense! (And, fun for the whole family!)

Laura - Where I come from someone made a freestyle to that song with "interpretive" signs for the singing, which included "Roast beef". The reason I mentioned the Reflex was because I used it against Cynic at Sakura-Con xD
 
May 22, 2009, 01:30:09 PM Read #16
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Hahahaha, no. Legitimate strategies that are in the spirit of fair competition are not asshat moves, and include:

1. Figuring out what kind of stepchart your opponent sucks at (not is physically incapable of playing, just sucks at.) For example, some people can AA Max 300 but will get 20+ greats on My Summer Love just because it's slow. Lots of good players suck at "rhythm" charts. Some people HAVE endurance/stamina, but still don't like HVAM.

2. Picking a shitty song nobody wants to hear but that isn't too hard is actually a great strategy - there's nothing unfair about picking "Celebrate" because you know nobody can tolerate that guy's singing enough to practice it. This also goes for stuff like the Reflex.

3. Checking Groovestats is a valid tourney move. "Oh hey, this person's scores on all these 9s are really high, but they seem to be pretty terrible at Sky High... let me play that!"

4. If you're close with somebody and know they will forgive you, there is one ass move I will allow: using information against them. I will give you a personal example because I am not entering. Orion .78 (Original AND Civ Mix) creep me out. The chanting fucking terrifies me. I don't know why, but it really does, and because of this, I will never play either song, and when random gives them to me, I will walk off the stage. My husband knows this and so his tournament song against me is rarely anything but Orion .78. Wink

EDIT: I also want to address the topic of singing -  If you are intentionally singing off beat to mess up the players, either as a spectator or a player, you will be warned. Repeat offenses are asshatable. I do encourage the spectators to sing along to "popular" singalong parts, though. The oldskool Paranoia yell ("HEY! HEY HEY! HEY HEY HEY HOOOO!") is welcome, as is the "Duh nuh nuh nuh" in "The Reflex" and "D2R!" at the end of D2R. These are not distracting, or at least, should not be if everyone does them properly (on beat and in unison).

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 01:44:53 PM by Laura »


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
May 22, 2009, 01:29:28 PM Read #15
ancsik

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


@ddrcrono: I think they're pushing for August for the other tournament or something.  The goal is definitely NOT to conflict.
 
May 22, 2009, 01:26:55 PM Read #14
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


So, if you tell Tony he needs to play MaxX and he says "I forfeit because I have a bad knee," and you say "Fine, then HVAM!" then he can still forfeit and you're stuck with HVAM, and the asshat...

I wouldn't choose MaxX to begin with, but giving someone the asshat after taking the bar down from MaxX to HVAM is pretty terrible. Personally I feel that the difference between the two songs is HUGE. I think that anything over 10 is questionable, but most DDR 9s are passable by many of the players. I don't think an asshat is deserved unless someone intentionally chooses a really hard 9 or 10 step song against someone obviously incapable of passing it.

In all honesty, if this is supposed to be a more "casual" tournament to contrast the ITG one, perhaps you should just say "No 10 step songs unless there's mutual agreement between the two players". That seems very reasonable to me.

The asshat would still be applicable if a player chooses HVAM against someone who can't even beat an 8. But I think that a person should be honest and mention their limitations before beginning their set, or forever hold their peace.


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
May 22, 2009, 01:23:38 PM Read #13
ddrcrono

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


So...does picking The Reflex count as an asshat move? Grin

[edit]

(Is this the same weekend as the other tournament...or have they even set a week for that yet? I can't tell what's going on in that thread without reading the whole damned thing.)

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 01:26:58 PM by ddrcrono »
 
May 22, 2009, 01:02:14 PM Read #12
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


The reason I put that rule in place is to give potential asshats the benefit of the doubt. For example, people who saw Tony play 6 months ago would assume MaxX Unlimited is valid against him, as he used to pass 12s. Now he has a bum knee and would probably forfeit a 10 because of that, but if you didn't know that, you're not an asshat.

I will modify that rule, however, to state that you can only re-select once. So, if you tell Tony he needs to play MaxX and he says "I forfeit because I have a bad knee," and you say "Fine, then HVAM!" then he can still forfeit and you're stuck with HVAM, and the asshat... but if, instead, you say "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know! How about I use a different strategy and see how you are at Let The Beat Hit 'Em, since even though slow songs are hard for some people, and thus this is a legit strategy, Let The Beat Hit 'Em will never hurt your knee!" then this is fine. Does that seem acceptable/make sense?

Post away! I'd be HAPPY to get some publicity for this thing. Cheesy I do want to reiterate that there's only time for 16 players (although many, many spectators are always welcome), so if this event is getting pimped out in a lot of places, I urge you to send me a "prereg" PM ASAP so you get to play! Cheesy

EDIT:
Good pads at paradise? I've not been there
Last time I was there, some of the best I've ever played on. It's maintained by Bill, so you know it's good, but it has the added advantage of not being a Bemani hotspot, so nobody really plays on it enough to wear down the sensors. Additionally, it's going to be completely inspected/repaired the morning before the tournament because Bill is fantastic (I was going to say great but that has negative connotations here).

EDIT 2: For the sake of all that is holy, do not EVER assume Let The Beat Hit Em is a legit strategy when playing Tony. I made that mistake last time. Sad

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 01:06:22 PM by Laura »


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6
Tags:

paradise

tacoma

tournaments

ddr

bowling

tourney

forum

tennis

oin


index

cards

with


Jump to: