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May 22, 2009, 11:43:19 AM - ORIGINAL POST -
SomeLauraChick

{Tournament} Be In My Paradise 6/27/09 - Paradise Bowl, Tacoma WA


In order to combat the divisiveness that seems to exist between the "hardcore ITG" crowd and the "PA" and "just for fun" DDR crowds, I bring the latter group a silly, fun tournament!

WHAT: Be In My Paradise (lol get it) DDR Extreme tournament

WHEN: Saturday, 6/27/09, at noon.

WHERE: http://www.bowlparadise.net/ / 12505 Pacific Avenue S., Tacoma, WA

ENTRY FEE: $5.00

RULES:

16 player single elimination - Tennis style matches are longer than your standard matches, so it needs to be single elim if 16 players show up. If only eight or fewer players show up, we can revise this to be eight player double elim very easily.

Tennis style matches - The win condition for a tennis style match is that you need to play AT LEAST three songs against your opponent, and you must be at least two wins ahead of them. Best two out of three, then, is not a win YET, but best three out of four is. Same with best three out of five, six out of ten, etc etc. Due to the tennis style format, this tournament needs to be no more than sixteen players, or it will take all day! Low seed picks either the side they want or first song. The second song will be picked by the next player. At this point, each subsequent song will be chosen by the player who lost the immediately previous song until the match has ended. If a song is a tie, the player who selected longest ago gets next selection.

Failing your own song - If you pick it, you pass it. If you don't, you automatically lose the song regardless of your opponent.

Forfeiture: Players confronted with a particularly challenging song will be allowed to forfeit the song with no effect on the match (unless, by forfeiture, you're giving your opponent the final point they need to win the match.) Once a player forfeits, you HAVE to stick with your song choice and play that song. Because of this, I encourage all players to talk to each other to make any legitimate health concerns known. Nobody is an ass for picking HVAM if they didn't know the guy they're playing has a bad knee. "I'm allergic to bad music" is not a health concern, and will probably get you The Reflex or Crash. You are better off including your opponent in the song choice if you want to play a 10.

Asshat rule: There will be no difficulty caps in the traditional sense, HOWEVER I am enforcing a no asshole rule by capping LITERALLY - while all difficulties are permissible in this tournament, if you do something that is clearly mean spirited, like pick a 10 against a person you know to have physical limitations (athsma, GERD, has only been playing a week), or exploit factors that have nothing to do with playing ability (picking songs with all freezes when you suspect the other player's side is dropping them, taking note that an arrow might be sticking, and thus playing songs that are all stomps on that arrow), you will be forced to wear a comedically large hat ("the asshat") while you play the rest of the round, so that people know that you were an asshat. If the hat comes off, you lose the song. This is both in the spirit of fun and games, and to make sure that people aren't jerks.

Prizes: The prize pool will be split among the top four players as follows: 1st - 50% 2nd - 25% 3rd - 15% 4th- 10%. Additionally, there will be other fun prizes to be revealed day of!

New players/consolation prizes: Last place player will receive a "lightly used" copy of ITG home from my and my husband's "consolidated" collection to encourage new community members to participate.

Qualifiers: Each player who enters this tournament, as well as any and all spectators who wish to participate, should write a qualifier down on an index card which will be cut in half (the hot dog way) (will be provided) and toss it into the hat at the beginning of the tournament. When it is time to qualify, I will draw a suggestion out of the hat at random, and that will be the qualifier, unless the random choice was clearly a joke (5.1.1. light, MaxX Unlimited, etc etc.) Please refrain from suggesting "joke" songs unless they have some actual merit. If a player wishes, they can enter a song on left, right, or mirror, but please no other mods (sudden, flat, boost, etc etc). If the person whose chart is picked as the qualifier is playing in the tournament, they have to go first - so please write your name on the piece of index card.

Scoring: Perfects = 2, Greats = 1, nothing else = anything. Pad arbitration will take place on a case by case basis IF any pad errors would change the outcome of the match. If you get 2 pad misses and 30 greats, and the guy you played against AAA'd the song, no redo for you.  

Modification of rules rule: THESE ARE THE FINAL RULES unless something goes seriously wrong day of.

Feel free to suggest additions/alternatives to the rules. However, if the suggestions lead to drama, they will be respectfully disregarded. I'm all ears otherwise, though! Cheesy

EDIT: Forgot to address ties in the rules. Whoops. Tongue
EDIT 2: Grammar. I'm not telling you WHAT grammar because, as a former English major, I'm embarrassed.
EDIT 3: I NEED PLAYER INPUT. Would you prefer a 10 dollar entry fee and a much larger prize pool, or a 5 dollar entry fee, so you have less to lose?
EDIT 4: Changed the rules in regards to song forfeiture.
EDIT 5: Added Paradise's physical address to the thread.
EDIT 6: Added modification of rules rule.
EDIT 7: Modified qualifiers rule. PLEASE READ!
EDIT 8: Added official "entry fee."
EDIT 9: Modified modification of rules, modified qualifier rules, added scoring. HAVE FUN GUYS! Cheesy

« Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 10:46:46 AM by BLueSS »
 
June 23, 2009, 02:20:11 PM Read #111
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Sounds good.


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
June 23, 2009, 12:00:20 PM Read #110
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I agree - so when you write the qualifier down, make sure to write your name under it.


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 23, 2009, 11:57:47 AM Read #109
BLueSS

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I like the "you play it first" qualifier rule.
 
June 23, 2009, 10:49:48 AM Read #108
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I like Tony's idea. Cut a standard sized index card in half. Cheesy!


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 23, 2009, 09:37:36 AM Read #107
ancsik

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


We're going to have a table for all the administrative stuff, I don't think it will be that hard to find a place to write (finding a pen could be a problem, we'll try to make sure a handful of them show up though).  We have a bunch of index cards somewhere, IIRC; cutting them in half should give plenty of writing surface without choking up the hat.  But ultimately, whatever's easiest is easiest.

Also, something I just thought up: how do people feel about making the person who wrote down the selected qualifier being made to qual first?  I would assume that people are making suggestions which ultimately benefit themselves in some way (even if it's something you feel is perfect as a qualifier, it's obviously something you've had a chance to practice recently), so to balance it out, everyone else will at least get a chance to see it once before being made to play it.  Especially helpful in the case of an obscure song with a weird gimmick (imagine sightreading So Fabulous So Fierce on a Max2 as the first person to qual that day; the stops would earn you at least -10, which is usually enough to drop a top seed to the middle or lower).
 
June 23, 2009, 07:57:33 AM Read #106
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Printer paper FTW


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
June 23, 2009, 07:30:34 AM Read #105
DMN

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Seriously Laura, drop a couple bucks and buy some post it notes. Problem solved. =P
 
June 23, 2009, 01:39:05 AM Read #104
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


If you give me dimensions I can cut it to a specific size.  I might have trouble matching your scraps for mass and texture, but again, not Rocket Science.  I also don't see you reaching into the asshat thinking, "Oh man, I better grab that piece of laminated lined college rule paper with a small nick in the corner because I think the person who threw it in there wrote 'zurrdurrhurr' on it and I really love hearing people play 'zurrdurrhurr' 10 times in a row!"  ;P  I just wanted to check with you before doing so.


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
June 22, 2009, 10:46:36 PM Read #103
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Yeah, that should be fine. I was just going to cut them out to all be the same size, etc, to cut down on selection bias. But it shouldn't need to be that precise, as it's a DDR tournament, not rocket science. Wink


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 22, 2009, 06:59:51 PM Read #102
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Would it be alright if people just came with their qualifier suggestion written on a small scrap of paper?  I hate trying to find places to write stuff down at arcades and such, and would much rather write my selection down on a desk.


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
June 22, 2009, 05:17:15 PM Read #101
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


IIRC, Bill already did the business card trick to the sensors he installed that day. I'll certainly follow your advice re: sticky bracket, though. Also, if you care, I'm arriving an hour early for the tournament - if you want to come help troubleshoot the morning of, that would be welcomed! Cheesy


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 22, 2009, 04:50:57 PM Read #100
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


The 1:200 miss problem is likely a sticky bracket. I strongly advise you to put some WD40 on the screws attaching the brackets that push down on the sensor. I have done this on my ITG2 machine and it seemed to help.

On the "weak" sensor, try doing the business card trick to it. It might just need time to "break in", but in the mean time the card will help. If it is too sensitive because of the card, discard half of the card, or remove it completely.

« Last Edit: June 22, 2009, 04:52:18 PM by Suko »


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
June 22, 2009, 03:44:54 PM Read #99
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


The right side's up arrow has what APPEARS to be a weak sensor on the down side, but the sensor was brand new. I think it's because some of the arrows are worn down; you just have to press it extra hard to get the sensor to even make the proper contact. This is only a disadvantage to certain players; heavy stompers will have NO problem.

Then there's the left side, right arrow... we can't get it to demonstrate any problems with any of the sensors in testing, but when we (me, Tony, Gerrak) played, we averaged one pad miss every 200 steps or so.


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 22, 2009, 03:32:42 PM Read #98
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Do whatever you have to do.

What are some of the pad's "symptoms"?


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
June 22, 2009, 11:12:57 AM Read #97
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Bump for nearness of event:

1. Everybody, start really thinking about your qualifier suggestion. I'll provide paper, a pen, and a hat. All songs need to be suggested by about five after noon so qualifying can happen by ten after.

2. Scoring... due to the fact that even after troubleshooting, it seems that there are one or two arrows that are going to be hard to diagnose, I'm going to make scoring easy and say that it's a straight PA tournament, where perfect =  2 points, great = 1 point, everything else = nothing. This is not only because I believe straight PA to be relatively fair as a measure of skill, but because it makes pad arbitration less necessary since a better player who happened to get 1-2 pad misses is still going to kick a worse player's ass in terms of number of perfects.

Pad arbitration will take place only if a player would have won or tied a match if not for the pad issues in question.

What do you guys think?


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 16, 2009, 12:59:07 AM Read #96
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


It's cool that this thing is only a little over a week out. Unfortunately I haven't had much game time on DDR cabs lately. I hope I get a chance to "practice" a bit before the tourny. Either way, it should be a hoot.
I'm hoping we get to play a match at some point.  I don't think I had the pleasure at Sakuracon.  :[


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
June 15, 2009, 03:47:28 PM Read #95
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


#1 is no big deal, it was INSANE and way too generous of you to make that offer...

...but you will be sorely missed at this event. If there's any way at all you have some unexpected change day of, let me know and I'll drive out to Ballard/Greenwood myself and grab you. Cheesy <3 Otherwise, life gets in the way sometimes; just know that you will be expected at BIMP2: Electro Tuned Boogaloo.


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 15, 2009, 03:32:27 PM Read #94
DMN

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I have two spats of bad news.

1) I will be unable to donate that extra cash, I've hit some personal unexpected finances that prevent me from dropping $100 on a tourney. I'm incredibly sorry.

2) I also will not be attending this, as I may have to work that day, and the fact that I'll be having to prepare for a trip to LA.

I hope you guys have a lot of fun, and I'll be sure to have one of you guys call into USL.
 
June 15, 2009, 02:43:32 PM Read #93
Suko

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


It's cool that this thing is only a little over a week out. Unfortunately I haven't had much game time on DDR cabs lately. I hope I get a chance to "practice" a bit before the tourny. Either way, it should be a hoot.


Arcades may have gone away, but their culture is not gone.

 
June 15, 2009, 01:31:44 PM Read #92
ancsik

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I would have to say no to forcing any speed mods, 1x or otherwise.  Obviously, Konami seems to have gone multiple directions with this by adding them and then continuing to rate slow songs for their 1x difficulty (and forcing 1x or lower on Oni mode), but just like debates over the bar, most players have settled on playing the way that makes them most comfortable.  I feel 1x to be unfair to certain playstyles (heavily visual players lose precision, but aural players are much less affected) and in conjunction with odd syncing (especially songs with inconsistent syncing, like Stoic and Little Bitch, or Electro Tuned which has an unstated 9 bpm change for a few measures [which isn't even in the original version from IIDX]) it would be a cheap shot at anyone who hadn't memorized exactly what was different about the song.  Playing to someone's weaknesses in terms of song choice is obviously the point, but then taking someone entirely out of their comfort zone on top of it doesn't seem all that fair.

I would also put forth that DDR is the only one of Konami's still-running games that expert players normally even consider to be playable on 1x at the current generation's top difficulty levels (most beginning IIDX players go straight to speed mods and, later, when the highest still isn't enough for the slower songs, players block off part of the screen so it feels yet faster; pop'n and GFDM aren't too much better in that respect).

I would definitely cite the idea of precedent, allowing you to force 1x this time means next time, I should be allowed to force 2x or even 8x, regardless of BPM
 
June 15, 2009, 12:48:15 PM Read #91
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I'll bring up a Cock 'n' Balls Doughnut and my France France Revolution challenge if you do. ;P

EDIT: btw, I'm 99% certain I have a ride now. :3


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
June 15, 2009, 12:45:36 PM Read #90
SomeLauraChick

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I agree with you in theory, Gerrak. I personally LOVE 5th mix tournaments and the like because I *can* 1x slow stuff better than many people; I've beaten Tony in tournaments even though he's an overall much more skilled player than me that way.

The problem with allowing forced mods is that it sets a bad precedent  for the way forced mods can be used. If somebody told me I had to 1x Sana Mollette, I'd say that fair is fair; when the chart was written, there weren't even speed mods available. If someone told me I had to 5x Healing Vision Angelic, that's just stupid and makes no sense. I feel like in order for this to be as fair as possible, I can't force anyone to play 1x.

Maybe I can allow for side pots/challenges? "I'll bet you five dollars you can't beat me on 1x" type stuff?


I would so look cuter than her if I could find a pair of UGGs that would fit me.
 
June 15, 2009, 12:43:55 PM Read #89
ChilliumBromide

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


I agree with the sentiment there.  I usually won't play any song under 100 bpm with speed mods because I like to challenge myself to read slowly.  However, if someone picks Secret Rendezvous against me, I'm going to play it on 3x and SDG it rather than 1x and barely AA it.  Unless there's a rule otherwise.  My issue with a rule like that is that it favours memorisation.  I think that if 1x can be forced when choosing a song, shuffle should accompany it.  There aren't a lot of slow songs that have retardly difficult crossovers on shuffle, so it's not like playing HVAM on shuffle where there's a significant chance the song will be nonstop turns and double steps.


Practice makes perfect.  But I'd rather be great. ;]
 
June 15, 2009, 11:05:28 AM Read #88
Gerrak

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


So when we pick a song to play can we require no speed mods? I can understand not requiring flat or dark or anything like that to go with it...
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As for mods you can select to make play (presumably) easier for yourself, anyone can select whatever speed mod they want (including boost), solo is fine to turn on if both players agree, etc etc. So if the qualifier is Cowgirl Heavy Shuffle, and you think 5x boost will help you time it better, play on 5x boost, or 1x flat, or whatever. Just no little or anything that actually makes the chart easier.
...Because I'd kind of like to use Bag and My Summer Love on 1x, among maybe some others; these are 10 and 9 respectively because of their BPM, so speeding it up really does make the charts trivial and just another 7/8 PA. Plus players should know how to read slow stuff on DDRExtreme, seeing as like challenge courses you have to play on 1x. Just a thought. And yeah daffodils pads are basically perfect; I'll be down there a couple times a week if others want to drop by sometime


Focus not on destroying your foe, but on obtaining your own victory...
 
June 12, 2009, 04:28:54 PM Read #87
mvco

Re: Be In My Paradise - 6/27/09


Daffodil, glad to hear the pads are great.  That one is up for maintenance here in the next month, as is Acme.


 
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