Okay, heading down to Acme in about 2 or 3 hours to fix the long song issue and also to add a TON of new songs. Yeah!

We're going to fix ITG3 and Rebirth when we get the time,

as it's been stated before ITG 1 & 2 will not be touched, but stuff like 30 minutes harder needs to be fixed. Same with the song Who. Who is practically on the off beat, it's ridiculous.
This probably happened because the person synced it to their keyboard, not the pads.
it's easy to fix, we just need a keyboard and the awesomeness of F7, F8, F11, and F12

Not every machine is synced in a different way that I've noticed, they tend to be pretty consistent... Again, I don't mean to resync every song in the game, just the ones that are really off from 3 and Rebirth. I agree you should be able to do fine with a song thats slightly late or slightly early if you're really good, but when you have to just ignore the music and watch the notes, that's when the game becomes retarded. You can claim you're good because you can maybe do this better than others, but you might as well not have the music at all if it's so far off, and hence ceases to be a dancing game at all when you aren't "dancing" to any music...

The game should be played for the physical challenge and/or the fun of it. And when I say fun I don't mean the fun of bragging how good you are at a handful of songs just specifically to be able to show off how well you memorized the chart and the offsync like on D2R.

I mean, really? You really want to leave these offsync just because you want to be able to 'impress' people by hitting things perfectly off-beat? Sounds like a retarded asshat version of dance games to me. Just let them fix the songs that are off sync and quit making a big deal out of it Especially because the songs we seek to fix certainly weren't at all intended to be this off, and wouldn't be found this far off anywhere else.

No, it's not.


Oh, shit.

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Nah, I'm just playing. In all seriousness, though, I can't stress this enough. I'd be really really good at dance games if everybody played on 1x solo, all the songs were synced dead on, and there was nothing harder than an 8 or faster than 160 BPM. I might even place in tournaments. Nobody in their right mind would call me a good player if I managed to place in a tournament now because it was, say, on 5th mix and I got some lucky randoms.

Being good means being good at everything. (Similarly, this is why I allow selection of easy songs in all of my tournaments. I don't care if you can quad Summer on Expert; if you suck at timing Hip Hop Jam on Hard, you aren't that good at ITG.)

That said, leaving songs off-sync IS unprofessional, and while I know that Konami and RoXor both did it, I've always thought that it was a huge failing on their part. I really want to make sure that everything on the machine is synced roughly the same just so that our machine doesn't look completely hackish (I know that it IS, but we should strive to make it SEEM kind of legit.) I understand that sync varies from machine to machine, and that doesn't bother me - I'm just saying that having some songs that are way early or way late, to a noticeable degree, makes us seem kind of sucky as a community!

Edit: I missed where syncing things on 1 + 2 was mentioned. I think the originals are fine as they are. Stuff on 3 and Rebirth should be adjusted if it's egregiously off, though, since they are charts that we hacked onto the machine and the sync could have been messed up somewhere in that process.

Neutron confirmed to crash the game mid-song.  Will investigate, recommending removal unless we can come up with a reason for the crash before the next update.

hate the player, not the game.

especially hate players like me who can AAA D2R on hidden dark.


on a slightly more serious note, "advantage to xxx player" means jack shit when every machine is synched in its own way.  goes out the window.  You can be like blake and quad star everything after resynching it, but is that really being good at the game? (it's rhetorical)

     I vote we do correct blatant offsync songs on 3 and rebirth. Considering the song I got knocked out on the last ITG tournament was a hideously offsync "Who". IMO no song should be at all offsync lest we advantage the visual players over more audio players, but while this is not possible/feasible on many songs, we can certainly correct ones that are really bad to the point of not being fun anymore and purely played for score based on one's ability to read the notes and tune out the music (which only occur on 3 and rebirth charts because 1 and 2 were fairly well tested). And the artists certainly didn't intend their works to be this way I'm sure, nor do the offsync charts probably occur where the songs are available elsewhere. Them being offsync is probably just a product of how they were distributed across the internet without being double checked for correct syncing to the machine and not, say, a person's computer.

Just remove the video until it can be resolved, there's no harm in that.

Also I vote on not adjusting anything on 1/2/3/rebirth songs.  What little purist left in me (lol 3/rebirth) speaks.

Tom and I have been experimenting with videos on our machine. Generally, 400 x 300 res is all you need for BG videos on a standard ITG monitor. I had a stepchart that was lagging ours out (the video file was originally at DVD quality), but once I resized it to 400 x 300 it ran smooth and great. Not to mention it still looked nice. I suggest getting Virtual Dub and just resizing any videos that're giving you trouble.

Less than three is different.
The background Video is causing the lag.
It might be in HD in which the Aspect ratio is not.
I don't know for sure, but it is definitely the background video that is the problem

Less Than Three does always lag, I'm really not sure why but it's independent of whether the machines been restarted recently or whatever. I've played it several times and its the same thing every time.

Less Than Three lagged really badly last time I saw it played.

I'm going to acme tonight and if I can take a look at the song list I can populate a list of offsync songs as I've played them all plenty.

Also 30 Minutes Harder is off-BPM (should be slightly higher I believe). The only off-BPM that I can remember

Is this a Jet Set Radio themed song? If so, why the f*ck hasn't anyone told me about it yet? Jesus, I have to get to ACME!

Armed Boss - pack has a copy of the .ogg with a hacked length.  This apparently causes the song to go silent at the 1:45 mark when on the machine, even though it worked fine via USB.  I have an unhacked copy of the song file, will swap out for current.

Explosive - Timing is very late overall.  Will tweak.

Jet Set Medley Future - drifts offbeat during some of the song transitions, late by the end of the song.  Will see if Jerrad would like to tweak the timing, since it's his file.