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BLueSS
January 27, 2007, 02:10:04 AM - ORIGINAL POST -


« Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 09:55:28 PM by BLueSS »
 
nekura
Read June 22, 2014, 08:48:45 AM #3101

A wave of oldness washed over me as I realized I've been participating in coin lines since the days of Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat 1.
 
Davyn
Read June 24, 2014, 08:42:47 PM #3102


1P left needs help
 
Rose
Read June 24, 2014, 09:52:09 PM #3103

@Davyn

Wow that's not good. The player one side had some minor adjustments done earlier today. Chris (APHR) and I will take a look at that tomorrow evening.
 
cwkarma123
Read June 25, 2014, 07:59:06 PM #3104

Making a request for a song to be removed from the sexuality violation 2 pack. "*iggas in Paris" should be removed, it curses far to often and drops the "n" word way to often for it to be appropriate for a family environment.

Thanks.
 
OrangeChicken
Read June 25, 2014, 11:36:42 PM #3105

Making a request for a song to be removed from the sexuality violation 2 pack. "*iggas in Paris" should be removed, it curses far to often and drops the "n" word way to often for it to be appropriate for a family environment.

Thanks.

Also "Smell Yo Dick" for obvious reasons.
 
cwkarma123
Read July 20, 2014, 06:48:56 PM #3106

Hey guys!

I haven't been posting in this particular forum for quite some time, mainly due to actually seeing you all in person and discussing pad issue with you in person.

Lately I've been noticing the modding in the ACME pads have continuously tampered with. I've found layers of tape removed and left on and around the stage. This is my money, effort and time you are ripping out and throwing away, so please I ask whoever is doing this to stop.

I've had to re-tape and re-mod numerous times now to replace what you've ripped out.

If you have an issue with how the stage is playing, please just contact me personally, I'd be more than happy to accommodate.
 
Suko
Read July 21, 2014, 04:56:56 PM #3107

Are people actually unscrewing the brackets, lifting the panels, and messing with the pads? That's not cool. Only the arcade operator or trusted people should be tampering with that equipment.
 
cwkarma123
Read July 21, 2014, 07:40:50 PM #3108

@Suko,

Unfortunately, it seems like someone is actually going into the panels. I've made it so you have to unscrew a bracket to get in, it's really concerning.

I'm thinking about typing out a notice and taping to the machine considering it might be someone who isn't a part if the pnwbemani forums. Sad

I don't get to play much since my new job... I really don't like going on the only day off I have just to re-mod the stage for 2-3 hours.  Undecided
 
cwkarma123
Read July 22, 2014, 12:40:32 PM #3109

So, I found out who is responsible for ripping out the modding and will deal with this accordingly.

-----------------------------  Tongue

To the person responsible,

If you are reading this, be ready to talk the next time we meet. This is a serious offense, and I take these issues seriously. You are messing with my time, money, and effort and I will not tolerate this kind of action.

Thank you.

« Last Edit: July 22, 2014, 01:06:14 PM by APHR »
 
mvco
Read July 22, 2014, 02:49:37 PM #3110

Is the ITG marquee going to be decorated with a human skull next time I visit there?  LOL's 
 
cwkarma123
Read July 22, 2014, 03:13:56 PM #3111

Is the ITG marquee going to be decorated with a human skull next time I visit there?  LOL's 

Haha, I don't think so.  Huh

I know the guys who's been doing this personally, so I'm just going to speak to him. I promise there will be no blood, guts, or skulls.  Tongue
 
TMN (Taylor)
Read July 22, 2014, 06:13:13 PM #3112

Requesting that a pack I compiled of all the hardest DDR boss songs (19 in total) be put on the machine.

The only problem is that they are in DDR's rating system. I have a general idea of how hard they are and can rerate them, but are most of the songs on the machine rated by how hard they are with cmods or without cmods? Most of these songs are only 10-13 on the ITG scale with cmods but without them they are much harder.

Oh, and there may be some duplicates since there are some DDR songs on the machine already, but most of the songs are from DDR X and later (which aren't on the machine). I will post a link to the pack after I update the ratings.

« Last Edit: July 22, 2014, 11:37:47 PM by Tmangamer »
 
OrangeChicken
Read July 22, 2014, 11:18:54 PM #3113

My own personal assumption (emphasis on how wrong I could be) is that a chart is, no matter what, rated for the density and the amount of effort put into the song physically, not so much for the reading of the chart itself.

Of course, only because it takes me a hell of a brain to read Under Arrest, a 10 (physical-wise).
I hope this will be somewhat helpful.
 
TMN (Taylor)
Read July 22, 2014, 11:51:28 PM #3114

Thanks, I agree that a chart should probably be rated as if you can read everything fine. Pack should be up soon.
 
BLueSS
Read July 23, 2014, 09:32:13 AM #3115

I know the guys who's been doing this personally, so I'm just going to speak to him.
Fellow forum members or people not on the site?
 
cwkarma123
Read July 23, 2014, 09:44:03 AM #3116

Fellow forum members or people not on the site?

He is a fellow forum member, but I just got a private message from him saying that 3 others were involved as well and that he isn't going to ACME anymore.  Shocked

Well only problem is that there are 3 others who are involved with removing the modding and messing around with the stage when they aren't permitted too. I suppose that we will cross that bridge when we get to it.  Sad

--------------------------- Wink

To the rest of you who has an issue with modding,

I understand that some people dislike the modding, but the majority do. When people who cannot pass a 10 tell me that the modding isn't working and people who can pass 17's tell me that the stage is awesome, I'm more inclined to believe those who can pass 17's.

A friend of mine put modding in the best light, he said that modding is a way to keep up with this game and how it is evolving.

The ITG community isn't stuck playing ITG 1 and 2 anymore. Players like myself are trying to help my community move forward into the future of this game, into Pendulum, into Sharpnelstreamz, into the many step charts that are being released that demand more than what this game used too. There is a very small portion of players in our community that dislike this idea of modding, but ask yourself this... when was the last time you've passed or even attempted a 15?

The way I see it, when the stage is modded, I'm being inclusive of all playstyles. When the stage isn't modded we are leaving out a portion of players that want to be playing 240 BPM 17's and 18's that last 5-7 minutes at 180 BPM, etc. Even when the stage is modded, players who want to play lower level songs or doubles are still able too, and I can assure you I test accordingly. You simply cannot play charts that are 200+ BPM on recess stock pads, however on modded pads everyone can play any chart at any BPM.

For instance, we have a newcomer into ACME that loves the way our stage is modded. At the moment, he is working on 9's and 10's and plays them well. Abbye and I both play 10's and 11's to practice FA and attempt quads. It just doesn't make sense to say that modded stages don't work for players who want to FA or play 9's, 10's, etc. The way I see it, instead of immediately blaming the stage for your ITG shortcomings, check yourself and be honest with your capability.

The reality is, modding does require a lot of upkeep. So, there are times when the modding needs to be adjusted and I do my best to keep up with keeping the stage at its peak.

The principle of the matter is that there are people going into the stage without having permission, they shouldn't be doing this, period. If you happen to go into the stage, at least have the decency to tell me what you did because I have no idea how much modding you've removed. Without knowing what's been done, I have to test and retest the stage to return it back to the way I've left it and that takes a lot of time and money.

Please be respectful of the time, effort, and money that Abbye and I have put into modding the stage for the majority. As I said before, please feel free to talk to me personally about the stage if you have a problem with the way its modded, I'd be more than happy to accommodate.

Thank you!

« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 10:18:46 AM by APHR »
 
Suko
Read July 23, 2014, 03:54:39 PM #3117

My opinion carries less weight, because I don't play at Acme. However, looking back over the posts from a year ago when modding was proposed, I don't see "the vast majority" in favor of it. I see a couple of people (mostly people who play >15's regularly) that were very passionate about having it, but then there was everyone else who seemed very skeptical or "meh" about it.

I agree with your (or Gerrak's?) statement that you have to keep up with the evolving nature of this game. But it always makes me laugh inside a bit when I see how far things have been taken. It's like someone trying desperately to overclock an NES to run SNES-level graphics. Some of you are pushing the machine to do things the hardware was physically never designed to handle. My personal opinion is that when you start modifying the hardware and software to perfect your game on such a granular level, what game are you even playing anymore? Are your achievements even comparable with anyone else NOT playing at Acme?

Anyways, I can only speak for a brief personal experience on Tom's foam modded pad, but they felt squishy and messed with my PA a bit. It's certainly something I'd adapt to in a short amount of time if I regularly played on it, but coming from my stock machine to his was a bit jarring.

One last thought: It's terrible to disregard the opinions of others just because they can't play at the same high level as you. Just because they can't do 17's doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about. Certain people prefer different things with the game. A doubles player is looking for something a lot different than a stamina player. Imagine if the stamina players got the panels polished to make them slicker, allowing them to slide over the pads better? Great for high-intensity bar users, terrible for noobs, no bar players, or doubles people. This might sound like a ridiculous example, but I think it helps get my point across. I certainly can't do 17's, but I've been active in the DDR community since 2002 and it'd piss me off if someone disregarded my opinions because I'm not "hardcore" enough by their standards.
 
TMN (Taylor)
Read July 23, 2014, 04:26:18 PM #3118

Sorry to inturupt this discussion Tongue But my requested pack is up and can be downloaded here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/q0c2828gc3xc62p/DDR+BOSS+SONGS.zip

Message me if there are any problems!
 
Tyrgannus.
Read July 23, 2014, 06:25:20 PM #3119

Double is marginally harder on modded pads, but not enough that I would do anything or complain about it. It requires a bit more focus on "pad presence" than if it's recessed and you can naturally feel it. As a doubles player, I do notice the difference. That being said, I really do like what modding does for single play and almost everyone plays single. Besides, an hour or two on modded pads is all you need to even get used to it on double.
 
Suko
Read July 23, 2014, 08:15:11 PM #3120

From what I've heard, the Acme pads have an issue of over sensitivity. Again, I haven't been there in ages, but I am curious if this is true.

That's one reason I will not mod my pads like this. I'm a 240lb no bar player. If the pads are hyper sensitive due to the tape and foam, or whatever, then I could be triggering arrows that I'm not even touching due to vibrations being carried through the frame. I've seen this on plenty of machines I've worked on in the past and it's incredibly hard for most to diagnose, because the issue seems so incredibly random.

Again, as I said in my statement above; What is great for one set of players, could actually be detrimental to another. People who've played on my machine know I keep the pads extremely well maintained and sensitive, but I do so without pushing them into the hyper sensitive range. It's a balance that I think most find completely reasonable once they've actually played on my cabinet.
 
Tyrgannus.
Read July 23, 2014, 08:19:28 PM #3121

Without making a definitive yay or nay on modding, I must admit that your pads feel nicer than one would expect. I was able to do a couple runs at 180 on those, and that's really pushing it for me. (Technically 48th runs in Chronon, but it's equivalent speed wise)
 
cwkarma123
Read July 23, 2014, 10:12:02 PM #3122

@ Suko,

I would never disregard anyone's opinion about the game especially when it comes to a public cabinet. My point was, when players like myself can near quad most 10's and 11's I play on the ACME stage, is told that the stage is messed up and broken by someone who can hardly pass 10's, it is hard for me to take that person seriously.

I listen to players who know how to FA/Quad 9's, 10's, 11's, etc., and I listen to players who are able to pass 17's and 18's. I take there opinions about the stage to heart and make adjustments accordingly. People I don't listen to are players who play 1-2 times a month and can't full combo 9's because their feedback isn't as strong as those who are able to quad charts and pass 18's.

The fact of the matter is, everyone is still able to play 9's and 10's. I didn't mod the stage so only 15's+ are playable, that wouldn't be fair. I've modded the stage so people of all levels can enjoy this game and grow.

Take for example, our mini-monster Orange Chicken. When I met him, he played DDR and couldn't even pass a 10 on ITG. Now, in such a short period of time, he's passing 15's on a regular basis and working on passing 16's. When I started playing on a stock stage, it took me 2 years to pass a 16! I wish I had the opportunity to play on a flushed stage for all the years I've been involved in ITG. Not to mention, Bauregard one of our new comers to this forum. When I met him, he could hardly play 11's, and now he is passing 15's and pushing 16's! This is all within a year...

A new comer to ACME, Tmangamer is in love with how are stage is modded. He plays 9's and 10's and I only see him becoming beast with more practice.

We are the only ITG community to resist this change. Our Northern friends in Canada have adapted to modded stages long before us, same with our Mid-West friends, and our East Coast rivals.

I understand that the majority didn't seem to want the stage modded on the forums, but I speak with a lot of people outside of the forums. I see people who play at ACME often and listen to their feedback and take them seriously. The majority now play at ACME and love how the stage is functioning. There is small minority who still haven't voiced their opinion to me. I would love to hear what they would have to say.

I've started playing on a stock recessed stage like rest of us. I started playing in 2004 on DDR Extreme and worked my way up the ladder. Unlike some of us in the community, I wanted to grow and become a better, faster, and stronger player. I wanted to keep up with the Mid-west ITG community, I wanted to keep up with the East Coast, and that is why I decided to mod the stage. I know I didn't get everyone consent but I receive the "green light" from Bill and the "green light" from the most avid frequent players at ACME.

Just because you aren't able to do a 17 doesn't mean you aren't a hardcore player. I respect everyone's game because we aren't all on the same level. I obviously haven't met you in person, and would love to someday. But, I don't want you to judge what I do solely based on what is said on the forums. My work is done outside the forums on a face to face basis.
 
DJ Yoshitaka
Read July 24, 2014, 06:14:56 AM #3123

APHR people like you are the reason I dont want to be part of the itg community.  Too much drama dude
 
cwkarma123
Read July 24, 2014, 09:11:00 AM #3124

APHR people like you are the reason I dont want to be part of the itg community.  Too much drama dude

 Shocked didn't want you to be in the community anyways.  Wink

Joking aside...

I just feel like I have to defend everything on these forums. You guys don't know who I am and honestly, I'm sick of the criticism. Say what you'd like, but the bottom line is the stage will stay super flush and I'm going to continue to do what I do.

« Last Edit: July 24, 2014, 09:22:46 AM by APHR »
 
DJ Yoshitaka
Read July 24, 2014, 09:21:37 AM #3125

 Kiss Kiss Kiss
 
 
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