Must be just a myth.  *looks for the BUSTED tag*

Bill said he is looking to get a GF to put at Acme, but if he has that kind of money to spend, I think we would all prefer to upgrade DM to V2 or V3 instead (those kits cost as much as V, anyway, and have even greater songlists).  Upgrading DM to a current version would be cheaper than a new GF, anyway.

if we got our hands on DMV i wouldnt play any other bemani for weeks

@Tada: Well, foregoing a GF11/DM10 at ACME in favor of a lone DMV there is another option.  However I thought a few pages back in this thread it was stated that mixes V and after require session play to operate?  It seemed like that view was being contested but I don't know if there was a firm concensus on it.  Personally I've never seen a GFV/DMV or after without some kind of session connection, but that all sounds poppycock to me.  

Anyhow, if that is a nonissue getting a DMV or afterwards for the DM8 set instead of getting another GF11/DM10 setup at ACME may be a good idea.  It will definitely make the DM10 at Narrows obsolete because DMV has all the DM10 songs (except Super Shomin Car I believe).  I have to admit it would rip away more of my determination to go and support Bill's arcade at Narrows; however ACME wouldn't have session so I'd still want to go to Narrows occasionally.  Gah!

If Bill has the money to buy a new GF, maybe we should use it to have just a well-upgraded DM instead?  I'd imagine upgrading DM would be cheaper than buying any GF cabinet, and a lot of us prefer DM to GF in different degrees.  Plus I'm sure a lot of us would rather have something newer; we've been able to play DM8 since Narrows got it long ago (pretty shortly after it came out).

i forgot i even started this conversation :]

i actually like playing session though i have only did it once.  I play GF at home but lack of GF KOC makes it a bit hard and GH controllers suck

Oh I'm well aware of that.  But my point still stands-upgrade that DM to 9 or 10, and you're losing a ton of musical variety.  So, therefore, any upgrade would have to be to V or after to retain a proportion of musical variety, is what I'm saying.  Compound this with the fact that obtaining V or higher is financially prohibitive/ass expensive, and I guess you could say I'm quite against upgrading that DM8 for the time being.

V and after requires a hardware upgrade, which might make it somewhat financially prohibitive...

Unless we upgrade to something V or after, I wouldn't like an upgrade from DM8th. =/ Reason being is that between DM8 and DM10 there are quite a variety of songs; if we go DM10 at ACME and DM10 at Narrows then, that's the same song selection.  And we'd lose a lot of awesome songs on DM8 that are not really fully recovered until V2 or, really, V3 (since a lot of revivals on V2 were unlocks over the e-amusement network so they wouldn't be on the core software).

And to this day, no mix after DM8 has revived Candy! =/ We'd lose that (yeah I know I'm the only one that really cares about that song but...)

No no no, upgrade the dm8. Unless there's some shit with it being percussion freaks and you can't upgrade it.

LOL what the?  :lol: When was I "bringin the hot chicks?" ^_^;;;  Though I won't question my attractiveness...


RE: Liking of Guitarfreaks and the continued drive to bring DM10 to ACME.

I like Guitarfreaks a lot, it's a ton of fun!  And I won't hesitate to play it, especially if waiting for someone on the Drummania.  I've played GHero I & II, and I definitely see its "authenticity" and whatnot, but GHero will never have some of the cool songs and sounds that are on a GFreaks.  I like classic rock and whatnot as much as the next person, but...

Furthermore, I like GFreaks because I love to session play.  I honestly do not get as much out of GF and DM if I'm not sessioning.  This sounds a bit selfish but, I have friends I can session with down in Tacoma on GF11/DM10 on Fridays, and I'm quite comfortable with that...If the majority of you guys don't care for GF11 then I can't say I'd fully support a move of it and DM10 from Narrows to ACME...just seems like it'd be going from a place of "no love" to a place of "no love" so to speak,  machine treatment aside.  Of course, the move to ACME may convince more of you to get into GFreaks and/or sessioning...that'd be nice.

The shortest song in GH is almost exactly 4 minutes.

Free Bird is 10 minutes long.

This is not an exaggeration.

Dawn the Next Endeavor is longer than Inori by 2 seconds, but all of Guitar Hero's songs are freaking long.

So when, do you guys predict, will ITG2 drop to .75/3 songs? Amber brought it up back on ITGFreak.

PS: Bill, will you get rid of that Menu Timer already?!

The other problem is that playing Free Bird is the equivalent of like 5 full sets of GF (It is longer than Inori on RED CS, from what I've heard).  The average length of a GH song being close to the length of a full set from any other series lends itself to a poor AC port, IMO.  While I will admit they did a solid job appealing to their audience, long songs get really tiresome...

Also, a GH cab was made like a year ago.  It went through a one day test in England, IIRC.  Nothing came of it, except for complaints of song length (one song = one credit).

The chances of a GH cabinet are low, true, but common, it WOULD be friggin awesome.

The problem with that is GH can't be sessioned with DM.  Unless they decide to session it with Drumscape.  Ewwww.

GH, DM > GF.
Hopefully a GH cabinet is made, that would be better than a GF here in the states. WAY better.

I'd probably play about 40%/60% GF/DM.  As I've said before, some songs just sound so much cooler on GF than DM, and I do like GF somewhat, but I love DM a little more.

I like GF way more than I do DM

/me wonders who Bill is going to blame (lol).

Actually, kill Bill (lol), he's the one who told me that.

That's what Kevin told me.  If you want to kill someone, kill him.

Are you sure? I've played single machines up to V. That would be a pretty dumb thing to do but obviously increases sales. Not like an arcade in Japan wouldn't have both anyway...

At a certain point in the series though (forgot which mix), the games simply won't work unless they're sessioned.

It's not just about what we like, though.  Guitar may be appealing to more of the casual players (especially with Guitar Hero out now), which helps bring in more money.  I personally like Guitar Freaks a little, and some songs just sound way cooler on it than on DM.

Yeah, I was just hoping for the session machines to come to Acme so we could have DM 10th.

Does anyone here actually like Guitar Freaks? It's really no fun. A newer drummania mix would be way cooler.