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December 29, 2009, 03:22:41 PM - ORIGINAL POST -
BLueSS

Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

So our community contains a TON of knowledge about DDR, Arcade machines, and the Bemani world in general. In an attempt to educate others (like Arcade managers) I had the idea to start an article collection that's publicly available.

The ideas I had so far are:

DDR Machine Maintenance
   Cleaning (detailed step by step, with pics)
   Business Card Trick  (detailed step by step, with pics)
   How to test if a sensor is reported bad (detailed step by step, with pics)

Tournaments
   How to run a DDR Tournament
   DDR Tournament Ideas / Types of tournaments
   How to run an air-hockey tournament
   
How to Play (New people who visit our arcades might not know what the features/settings are)
   DDR
   ITG
   Pop'n
   Drummania
   Guitar Freaks

Arcade Tips
   Best tips and food suggestions for Acme Bowl
   Best tips and food suggestions for Power Play
   Best tips and food suggestions for Narrows Bowl

I'm open to any suggestions - and I'm going to need help from anyone who wants to contribute to this. It'll become a resource for bemani players all over, but especially our community, and the arcades in our area. Once it's created, I'll be sending it out to arcades that have DDR in case they need the information (say for repair techs who might not know why people are complaining about the 'bad sensors').

I think it'd be helpful if we helped each other with content. There isn't any fight for who gets to write an article, we'll all do these as much as we can.

So more ideas? Anyone want to start working on some of them?
DO NOT STEAL ANYONE ELSE's CONTENT! The more graphics and pictures the better too.

« Last Edit: February 12, 2010, 09:51:26 PM by BLueSS »
 
February 23, 2011, 08:28:12 PM Read #59
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Several sites have already started bemani wikis before, and they're still around.
Some of them were too ambitious, some have good info; but I don't think there's enough interest of people to save all of the info in one place.

http://wiki.bemanistyle.com/
http://wiki.bemaniso.ws/wiki/Main_Page
http://vjarmy.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page  (Mostly IIDX and Pop'n)
http://wiki.voiddd.com/ (Not English)

If we can leave the general information for the big sites, and focus more on what we know really well, I personally think that will work better for us. Smiley
 
February 23, 2011, 05:17:44 PM Read #58
Suko

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Have you thought about making a Bemani wiki as it's own, stand-alone site? I realize we've already got a wiki started here, but having it restricted to only registered forum members kind of makes it a difficult thing grow. I was just thinking that, as DDRFreak gets closer and closer to death, it might be useful to have a publicly-accessible wiki site that could hold a treasure trove of miscellaneous DDR/Bemani information. Think of it as your next major web project, Jon. =]

Quote from: amberlewis
Ya yo are absolutely right.I agree with your words.
 
December 18, 2010, 01:30:24 PM Read #57
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

ARCADE MAP FINISHED - All WA/OR Locations have been added to the Arcade Map, and Articles have been created for each one. That means you all can edit arcade details from here on!

If you don't have permissions to edit Articles, let me know and I'll get you them. Cheesy
 
December 17, 2010, 03:48:55 PM Read #56
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

To be honest, one of the ways that everyone can help is to link to PNWBemani on any websites they have or have other music game websites post about us / post to our articles.

I've done a lot of work SEO optimizing the site, and the more links we can get to our content, the better that will go.

Great Example: Search Google for "ddr maintenance"  or "clean ddr machine"
If we can get more great content for the Articles system, we can continue to make this one of (if not the best) DDR Community on the net!
 
December 17, 2010, 03:17:25 PM Read #55
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

The site is currently funded by my own personal funds, any funds raised from running a tournament, and any money raised from the new Amazon Referral Link on the left (Under user stats). I just started using Amazon referral on some of my sites, but it has already proven to be much more successful than Google AdSense. I might be removing adsense completely from the site (only guests normally see those ads anyway).

I greatly appreciate the want to keep the site up by contributing financially, and thankfully the site is ok in that area. My entire hosting account (This site + a few others) is $6.50 a month, and then $10/year for the domain name. I'm dedicated enough that I don't mind putting up the cost as long as the community stays awesome. Truthfully, I'd be paying for my hosting for my other sites anyway, even if this community were to die (such a sad thought). Smiley

I do spend a significant time making the site more awesome though; and most of the article edits will probably only come from me. I don't mind though, otherwise I wouldn't do it, but that is time I put into the community.

A "PNWBemani Play-a-thon" would be pretty awesome though. Cheesy  I'm all for raising funds for this community by having an event that the community can turn around and enjoy! If there's anything this community needs, it's more awesome events where we can get together and play some Bemani!!!
 
December 17, 2010, 12:15:30 PM Read #54
Suko

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Jon, how do you fund the site? Do you accept donations or need any financial help? I'm not exactly in the best place financial atm...However, I wouldn't mind holding a PNWBemanithon or something. I could open up my machine for free play all day, and people could pay $XX to play. The majority of that cash could go to you as donations to the site. The rest could buy drinks, food, etc for the event. Let me know what you think.

Edit: Or, instead of me giving out my address on the internet to (possibly) some people I don't know...perhaps we could have a "PNWBemani donor play-a-thon". Where peeps who helped donate a certain amount could then attend an all day ITG free play event.

I'd be OK with either options really. Just wanted to throw that out there.

« Last Edit: December 17, 2010, 12:18:34 PM by Suko »

Quote from: amberlewis
Ya yo are absolutely right.I agree with your words.
 
December 17, 2010, 10:32:46 AM Read #53
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Thanks, Kevin! Feedback like that is what keeps me motivated to improve the site. Smiley

I definitely like to try to make everything I do the best possible; so as I continue to learn and think of ways to make the site better, I put them in.  If anyone has ideas or ways that the design, functionality, or usability could be improved, I'm all ears! Cheesy
 
December 17, 2010, 12:37:03 AM Read #52
Keby

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

I am in love with the new article system and arcade location database.
This site looks so much smoother and better with every update.

I went around and searched for other dance/Bemani game forums to compare our layout to theirs.
I'd say we stand along side Bemanistyle and Zenius-i-vanisher as one of the best looking Bemani forums on the net, not to mention this is just for the PNW! Most others use that free PhpBB style.
Thanks a ton for keeping this site going Jon!
 
December 09, 2010, 04:06:18 PM Read #51
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Quote from: Suko on December 09, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
Perhaps we should have album sub-folders to put all the images in for that category.

For instance, instead of me dumping my three diagrams into the Articles folder, I should dump them into a /HowTo subfolder to prevent clutter.
That's fine with me. Do you have permissions to add sub-folders? I think you should...

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My only other suggestion (if it's possible) would be to allow previewing of articles before finalizing an edit. I know this isn't SUPER critical, since you can continue to re-edit an article until it turns out the way you want, but I thought I should mention it.
The mod that gives this feature does not have that as an option. Sad  I also with we had this feature, but I don't think it's possible at all unless someone re-writes the plugin.
 
December 09, 2010, 03:37:39 PM Read #50
Suko

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Been busy all last week. I finally had some free time to check the changes out. I haven't investigated your pad rating thing yet, Jon. However, I did update my Business Card Trick article with images. I just have two things to add. Perhaps we should have album sub-folders to put all the images in for that category.

For instance, instead of me dumping my three diagrams into the Articles folder, I should dump them into a /HowTo subfolder to prevent clutter.

My only other suggestion (if it's possible) would be to allow previewing of articles before finalizing an edit. I know this isn't SUPER critical, since you can continue to re-edit an article until it turns out the way you want, but I thought I should mention it.

Quote from: amberlewis
Ya yo are absolutely right.I agree with your words.
 
December 03, 2010, 11:26:53 PM Read #49
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

- Player 1 -- Player 2 -




So this is easy enough to edit once you know what's going on... but the code is messy. See below:
Code:
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/green.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/green.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/green.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/yellow.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/red.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/red.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/green.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img]
[img]pnwbemani.net/g/green.gif[/img][img]pnwbemani.net/g/grey.gif[/img]

I originally thought of the 1-9 scale, but without a very ridiculously defined numbering scale, nobody would remember the difference between a 5 and 7, or 4 and 6. What's an 8 vs a 9?

New Scale:
= Excellent. No or very few pad misses.
= Good. Occasional pad misses.
= Bad. Frequent pad misses / pad sticks or fails to respond.

This system is much clearer and visually easier to understand. It loses a minor level of detail, yet simplifies how a pad should be rated.

Feedback? Smiley
 
December 02, 2010, 11:42:28 PM Read #48
Suko

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Thanks for the news. Glad I could make some useful suggestions.

Having a album to upload the files would be a step in the right direction.

Regarding the pad rating; If you can't do a graphical representation that looks good, perhaps just abstract it down to colored numbers in a cross formation, one for each side of the pad.

Quote
I've always struggled with the first posts in the threads up top, because they take up SO MUCH space, and my dream for the arcade page is that it would be FULL of details, instead of just a little bit.
I'd argue that it is full of information. Very little of it is wasted space, IMO.

« Last Edit: December 02, 2010, 11:48:21 PM by Suko »

Quote from: amberlewis
Ya yo are absolutely right.I agree with your words.
 
December 02, 2010, 10:50:23 PM Read #47
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Suko,

Update on the machine pad scores: The other site you had seen before had a nice script set up that stored the scores and (if it did color them) ran a little script to configure that. The article system on this site allows as much as the forum post do. [Very little]

In order to keep it simple to edit, it'll need to stay simple to look at.
I'd love if it was possible to have them all look good like you have, but this site isn't made for that. A LOT of BBCode would go into formatting something like that (again, unless someone knows a good way I dont) and with a lot of formatting it quickly becomes very annoying to edit.

In all likelihood, it'd probably end up being just like below:

P1 Pad - P2 Pad
[] 8 [] | [] 8 []
6 [] 7  | 5 [] 6
[] 8 [] | [] 8 []

Simple, but easy to edit without lines of BBCode getting in the way.
Either that or I could have images that are "1.jpg", "5.jpg", "#.jpg" and you'd have to replace the number to the arrow you were changing. That adds more BBCode again though.

« Last Edit: December 02, 2010, 10:55:29 PM by BLueSS »
 
December 02, 2010, 09:53:30 PM Read #46
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

@Kevin, Laura said go for it. Smiley

@Suko, lots of good feedback.

Quote from: Suko on December 02, 2010, 11:23:43 AM
Is it possible to incorporate some kind graphical depiction of the pad's condition? I don't remember what site I saw it on, but somewhere out there I came across a place that let you rate each arrow on a machine. From what I remember, it looked something like the image I attached below.
YES! I will be finding the best way to put this in, even if it's a simple table or something.

Quote
Is it possible to add a feature like this to the articles, or somehow give us the ability to show information like this on the arcade's thread?
Not easily, no. Additionally, I've always struggled with the first posts in the threads up top, because they take up SO MUCH space, and my dream for the arcade page is that it would be FULL of details, instead of just a little bit. If all of that was on top of the thread, it would be really messy and long. If anyone knows a good way of doing it, I'm all ears but SMF and the various plugins are fairly restricting.

Quote
edit: Also, on an unrelated note, you should make it so that attachments get placed at the end of the post, but before the user's signature. This might make it a bit less confusing.
Looking into that now. Smiley EDIT: DONE. Check out your post above.

Quote
P.S. Is there a way to upload images to an article? I have some diagrams I made to help illustrate the business card trick. I could host them off site, but that doesn't seem as effective as having them attached and referenced to the article.
Articles do not support attachments. What will work is I can make a new album in our picture/file gallery for "Article Attachments" and host them that way. They'd all be organized together and then you can easily link them into the article. That seems like the best solution I can think up.

« Last Edit: December 02, 2010, 10:14:28 PM by BLueSS »
 
December 02, 2010, 11:23:43 AM Read #45
Suko

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Is it possible to incorporate some kind graphical depiction of the pad's condition? I don't remember what site I saw it on, but somewhere out there I came across a place that let you rate each arrow on a machine. From what I remember, it looked something like the image I attached below.

Is it possible to add a feature like this to the articles, or somehow give us the ability to show information like this on the arcade's thread?

edit: Also, on an unrelated note, you should make it so that attachments get placed at the end of the post, but before the user's signature. This might make it a bit less confusing.

P.S. Is there a way to upload images to an article? I have some diagrams I made to help illustrate the business card trick. I could host them off site, but that doesn't seem as effective as having them attached and referenced to the article.

« Last Edit: December 02, 2010, 12:35:24 PM by Suko »

* pad-condition.png (2.35 KB, 200x126 - viewed 243 times.)

Quote from: amberlewis
Ya yo are absolutely right.I agree with your words.
 
November 28, 2010, 03:10:37 PM Read #44
KevinDDR

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Oh man, best tips and food at Acme Bowl...I call that one. Well, unless Laura wants it. Tongue

Quote from: The Wise Fool
thewisefool4953 (9:28:22 PM): you're like the music game player equivalent of some teen who goes out and gets pregnant and addicted to heroin
 
November 27, 2010, 02:59:05 PM Read #43
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

I migrated the rest of the articles from the WIKI to the new system.

Here is still a list of articles that would be great to have in the system, and anyone can make them.

DDR Machine Maintenance
-  Fix DDR Pad errors with the "Business Card" trick  (detailed step by step, with pics)
-  How to test if a DDR arrow sensor is reported bad (detailed step by step, with pics)

Tournaments
-  How to run a DDR Tournament
-  DDR Tournament Ideas / Types of tournaments
-  How to run an air-hockey tournament

How To Play (New people who visit our arcades might not know what the features/settings are)
-  How to Play: DDR
-  How to Play: ITG
-  How to Play: Pop'n Music
-  How to Play: Drummania
-  How to Play: Guitar Freaks

Dance Game Techniques

Arcade Tips
-  Best tips and food at Acme Bowl
-  Best tips and food at Power Play
-  Best tips and food at Narrows Bowl

And anything else you guys want to add. Smiley
 
November 23, 2010, 09:59:43 PM Read #42
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Quote from: Davyn on November 23, 2010, 08:50:15 PM
Are all links supposed to be underlined?
Yes, I updated the CSS for better navigation on parts of the site.
 
November 23, 2010, 08:50:15 PM Read #41
Davyn

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Are all links supposed to be underlined?
 
November 22, 2010, 11:12:44 PM Read #40
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Suko, look at the top menu. There is a "Local Arcades" and an "Article" button. Both go to the same system, although the Article is the main starting point and the "Local Arcades" goes to an already created category.
 
November 22, 2010, 10:33:29 PM Read #39
Suko

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Where do we access this system at?

Quote from: amberlewis
Ya yo are absolutely right.I agree with your words.
 
November 22, 2010, 10:14:49 PM Read #38
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

Additionally, to add the first post of each arcade thread will be changed to look similar to Gamework's new first post.
http://www.pnwbemani.net/western-wa/(arcade)-seattle-gameworks-seattle-wa/

I'd love any thoughts / feedback about the article system. Smiley
 
November 22, 2010, 10:05:04 PM Read #37
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

BUMP FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Cheesy

I have scratched the old Wiki integration system in favor of a completely different mod.

*drumroll*
We now have a built-in Article system!

You can add and edit articles on the site (kinda like a wiki).
I'm not sure what it'll do if two people try to edit at the same time (probably cause the universe to implode while trying to divide by zero) but that's ok.

I have already given some frequent users permissions for the articles system to add and edit articles. There is no backup or revision history, so the system is going to stay reserved for trusted members of the community.

Instead of using the wiki and finally having me make a page for it, you can go and create an article now! (if you have permissions)

If you do not have permissions, PM me and I'll grant you them if you're a frequent, trusted member of the community.

You will notice an Arcade Locations category. This will allow us to update machine conditions instead of always trying to update the first post of a thread!
For anyone adding a new location, PLEASE follow the basic format I made for the Seattle - Gameworks location.  I would actually like to improve that format, so if you have suggestions on how to make the template better, feel free to post here with your updates.

« Last Edit: November 22, 2010, 10:10:05 PM by BLueSS »
 
February 12, 2010, 09:52:30 PM Read #36
BLueSS

Re: Bemani / DDR Wiki Article Project

I'm going to get those going here in a section soon, Suko. Thanks again for writing those up. They looks great!
 
January 29, 2010, 12:54:21 PM Read #35
Suko

Re: Need help writing Articles/How-to's for the site

I wrote up a few things today. I mostly posted about how to clean a DDR pad (I mostly got it from DDR Freak's Tips section) and I put up a thing on the business card trick, sensors, & sticky arrows.

Quote from: amberlewis
Ya yo are absolutely right.I agree with your words.
 
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