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The thread did say that there was going to be one...

Wait a minute. You guys had a DDR EXTREME tournament? Sh*t! I could've pwned the hell out of that thing!

Ah, I didn't know Victoria was serious in that regard o.o Not quite sure what Laura was referring to with "jumping jacks", but I don't think I filmed anything like that. The videos that I took are now finished uploading. My overall coverage was quite sporadic unfortunately and didn't get Keby's AAA, though I did get Tuan's.

Put some pics in the SakuraCon album. Thanks BLueSS.

I made an album for you guys to post Sakura-con pics in: http://www.pnwbemani.net/mgallery/?sa=album;id=27

Adam was telling me that the female ITG players in Victoria are EXTREMELY competitive against one another, so much so that it includes not showing their high scores to each other so they don't show weakness or strength at tournaments.

That's why Catherine didn't want any videos or photos taken.
Basically they're insane.

The hummingbird huh? The picture of you isn't that bad, your hair and your expression just looks like a deer caught in headlights.

I know that James got some video of at least Allan doing some jumping jacks, and the world's worst photo of me.  Also, Hollie the Hummingbird.

Posting results on Tuesday (the first day that I will have time available to do this.) These tournaments were very interesting.

Did you get any video of people doing jumping jacks, per chance?

Uploading the videos I took at the tournaments. Big congrads to those who took 1st place in ITG competition, 1st in DDR Extreme, got AAAs or quads, beat 14-footers, etc. You know who you are :]

Very interesting competition.. The winner of the ITG tourny requested she not be filmed, so I have no footage of those matches.

Discussion for this tournament moved to the Sakuracon thread linked in the first post, or below.

http://scmb.sakuracon.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19996

I plan on playing some games, hanging out with some people, and enjoying some tournaments held by the people for the people.  It's going to be such a fun time.

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(I realized that the irony is two-fold.  Not only does DMN contradict himself by saying 'I hate drama' in the same post where he seeks to increase that drama, but Allan's fight for more ITG has resulted in zero ITG for next year.  Seriously people, can't we just get along and play dance games without threatening to take it to the bike racks?)

Having Supernova is definitely a better choice than ITG... lmao
Culturally relevant would be ITG, it's made in the PNW. Oh well. Stupid events with stupid planning for stupid people.

From what I've heard from con-goers the past couple years, and as a couple people have stated earlier, ITG doesn't get the traffic DDR does, even though it has been there a couple years. It's not a "new game" anymore. I'd be willing to throw out there it's probably much more effective to pay to have a machine that many more people would play and enjoy, rather than one that hasn't achieved a large audience at the con.

I should probably come because I don't have Empress + PB yet lol. AND POP'N

@DMN
I can see how ITG isn't as relevant to the convention as it isn't japanese, but honestly I think you're taking this too far. It doesn't bother me in particular so much as next year I'll just play at acme rather than going to the convention, but it is taking the game away from other people who'd like to play it, which isn't all that fair. Maybe it isn't as popular, but I think it's less accessible for one thing, and there's no harm in being able to introduce people to a new game. I think a couple of differences on a forum is not reason enough to assume that people who like the game are inherently going to cause some kind of conflict.

who the hell is gerrak???  and why does he have itg2 as a favorite bemani game in his profile :/

DMN you should replace it with console IIDX (dont see you guys getting a IIDX machine anytime soon )

btw im bringing empress and premium best if anybody wants to play

You know, Gerrak, you've moved me to make a fantastically logical choice. I will not have ITG at con next year. Thank you for opening my eyes to how much drama that game brings and how much of said drama I want away from my gaming area.

Also, please let me know your schedule up until con. I will absolutely tell you what I said to your face if my schedule permits. In fact, if you'd like to arrange a time at con for me to tell this to your face, please PM me.

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I thank you once again for showing me a reason to get rid of ITG and put in a more culturally relevant game.

Hmm...I see reasons to put up qualifiers and to leave it a mystery until the actual qualifying. I'm a fan of being able to practice such things, but hey, I didn't practice for the last one and ended up qualifying 3rd so I suppose anything can happen. Honestly, I think the people who are going to, say, 99 the qualifier will be able to do it regardless of whether they practice it specifically in advance or not. I think that it would be good to have them available for those of us not likely to be in the final rounds just so we have more of a fighting chance at the beginning. Anyway, personally (since I'm in that category I just mentioned  ) it would make it more fun for me to have them.

I don't see any problem with the qualifier as is.  Anyone else?

Will do! Like I said, I'd be happy to start qualifying early. I finalized that schedule mostly because I was under pressure to get a final schedule out, but that doesn't mean I can't change it informally.

And thanks for your apology. No hard feelings.

Edit: I'd really like opinions on the qualifier thing! Should I come up with a few different options and post after all, or do people agree that it might be more fair to tell everybody the day of, given the skill level and highly variable amounts of free time the players might have in the next week and a half? I really am willing to listen to conflicting ideas, as long as they're well justified.

Gerrak, again, chill.

Any further discussion in this thread regarding the above ITG tournament drama (not the actual, legitimate tournament discussion-that's more than welcome!) will result in a forum ban until the con is over.

Sorry I wasn't in the best mood for my last post. I was out of line Laura and I apologize. I didn't mean it to sound hostile.

BlueSS and DMN:
I haven't talked to Acme about tournaments in almost a year, since Kevin and Amber took over the last one. Get your fucking facts straight.

Shut the fuck up.

You don't even know me so also shut the fuck up.

The two of you just jumped on the opportunity to talk shit on me and don't know anything. And taking my words and putting them into entirely different context. Try saying some of that shit to my face or get your facts straight and shut the fuck up.



Anyway Laura please just do what you can, it really doesn't bother me that much if it's single elim. And I'll be there by 5 to qualify if needed.

Agreed.  Evidence:

Roxor + RedOctane had a booth at the con in 2006 as they tried to push ITG as hard as they could.  They succeeded in "expending energy" and "being physically present," whereas the desirable side effects like "making money" and "selling games" were conspicuously absent.

Precedent says that both DDR machines will, even at 3am, have at least 5 people waiting in line while ITG, at peak times, will only have about 5 people rotating through.  It's far more play than it would get at Acme over the same weekend, especially given that half the community goes to the con, but picking out the crowd favorite is pretty easy year after year.

In 2005 and 2006, the con did try to use ITG as the main event for arcade tournaments and did not get the desired interest - there's no debate to be had as for what should get the strongest focus at the convention.  In 2006, I believe close to equal headcounts were had the for ITG and DDR events.  ITG had two open qualifying times (one Fri, one Sat) totaling like 6 hours that you could stop by and enter, then the 16 slot bracket rounds started Saturday afternoon and ran into the evening; DDR was Sunday morning (at like 9am) with an 8 slot bracket; almost no one from the community entered because it was too early, so the headcount could have easily been doubled by switching those around.  There's just no question where the effort needs to lie.

Also con tournaments have ALWAYS been single elim.  Not because of any restriction by the managers (that I know of), but because one of the goals is to keep things moving quickly (double elim. directly doubles the number of rounds from single elim., so single elim allows twice as many players in the same amount of time) - we don't want people withdrawing in the last 3 rounds because there's something else they need to get to (this happened repeatedly in 2005 and 2006, IIRC); many Bemani players come for more than just the arcade and this has caused problems even when using single elim, because the tail hour of a tournament conflicted with some major con event.